Peoples ideas about meat..

[Zab]

As a sidenote, I just heard that someone are auggesting meat taxes in sweden, because appearantly we eat too much meat. Too much for whom? Somehow I dont think it's the animals they're thinking of, I doubt the tax money would go to better housing for the pigs..

 

[camanojim]

But they just said on the news that the economy is doing great, Wall St is up. They don't understand why people are not rejoicing.

as long as we print 85 BILLION a month to keep it all a float

sorry had to say it

 

[Happy]

As someone has recently pointed out (tongue-in-cheek style) on facebook: "to understand the federal reserve, refer to Monopoly rule #11."

 

[Frosted Rabbits]

As a sidenote, I just heard that someone are auggesting meat taxes in sweden, because appearantly we eat too much meat. Too much for whom? Somehow I dont think it's the animals they're thinking of, I doubt the tax money would go to better housing for the pigs..

Actually, according to an NPR report I heard a couple weeks ago-- there is a call for a 'fat tax' A tax on things like Nutella, Peanut Butter, anything with a certain type of fat or oil in it, as your powers that be have deemed them to be 'unhealthy' and the cause of increased health care expenses.
So, tell me, is a fast food burger in your neck of the woods more or less expensive than a large salad?

 

[GBov]

Nothing to do with PC caused me to say I might lock the thread. It was only that I had gotten the idea that Sky was being attacked. I was wrong, and I am very sorry.

THIS is one of the reasons I LOVE THIS PLACE! And am trying all the time to teach my kids the same. Own your faults, learn from them and then MOVE ON!

Its what grown ups do

My grandmother hated the feel of raw liver but we ate lots of it because it was cheap and good for you. My mum gets cold chills of horror when I forget and leave potato skins in the sink overnight but she still cleans them up if I am staggeringly busy. Puss filled wounds make me sick to my stomach but they have to be cleaned out if the animal or child is going to get all better.

We do what we have to do when we have to do it.

And the op tv show girl hasn't HAD to, has she?

As to unhappy meat, I raised the Christmas turkey one year for my in laws and my sis in law asked me, one fine September day, how it was doing. I said it was running round in the warm sunshine, enjoying its life.

Imagine my surprise when she gave an anguished yell, covered her face and cried "That makes it WORSE!"

:shock:

She actually BELIEVES that by killing an UNHAPPY animal you are doing it a favor so a happy one should get to live.

But then again, when we started hatching our hens eggs she told her daughters that chickens make two different kinds of eggs, one for eating and one for hatching.

How can one deal with that kind of willful blindness?

Perhaps I am a bit different but I like the feel of raw meat, even organ meat, as long as its fresh and good. But the stuff in the shops is nasty, flaccid and slightly sticky and just yuck!

Having saved like a mad woman I am picking up a grass fed beef order this weekend yipeeyaywoohooooo haven't had beef in over eight weeks but why pay for the supermarket beef, it tastes of nothing and is greasy to boot.

We watch a program called Escape to River Cottage (and it many spin offs) with the kids and my hubby got quite cross when a family was showcased who were actually living the life of small holders. Small house, no car, three acres, very little income, no nights out or holidays or anything like that. He asked why on EARTH would they deprive themselves of all the things that make life worth living? I told him "They dont SEE it as giving all that up, they see what they have as what they WANT! They haven't given up a lifestyle, they have gained one."

With time and work we are trying to meet in the middle on what we both need to be happy but as we are starting on his side with "Why waste your time raising it when you can buy it cheaper?" to me on my side saying "How on earth can you not see that the time and money are not wasted, they are spent joyfully on gaining healthy food for our family?" We have a lot of work still to do :lol:

And if all schools had to raise their own food and cook their own food and had classes on how to manage finances, we would be farther along on the road to freedom than we are now. But then, we would all be MUCH harder to control, wouldn't we :roll:

 

[coffeenutdesigns]

I really don't care how other people choose to eat (except my kids, of course) but I won't tolerate someone looking at me like I have 3 heads and calling ME mean or heartless because I eat the animals I raise without calling them out on it and giving them a quick (or sometimes lengthy) education. I do what I do because I DO care...about the healthfulness of the food I eat and how the food I consume is raised.

 

[Happy]

I really don't care how other people choose to eat (except my kids, of course) but I won't tolerate someone looking at me like I have 3 heads and calling ME mean or heartless because I eat the animals I raise without calling them out on it and giving them a quick (or sometimes lengthy) education. I do what I do because I DO care...about the healthfulness of the food I eat and how the food I consume is raised.

When people give me crap about that kind of stuff, I tell them to watch me do the deed so they can see how lovingly I pet and stroke the fluffy things under their chins to calm them down before mercilessly bashing in their brainstem with a framing hammer. As Ted Nugent one told a PeTA member who called him a butcher (as if that were an insult to begin with): "I don't have the skill of a real butcher, but thank you for the compliment."

 

[Zab]

As a sidenote, I just heard that someone are auggesting meat taxes in sweden, because appearantly we eat too much meat. Too much for whom? Somehow I dont think it's the animals they're thinking of, I doubt the tax money would go to better housing for the pigs..

Actually, according to an NPR report I heard a couple weeks ago-- there is a call for a 'fat tax' A tax on things like Nutella, Peanut Butter, anything with a certain type of fat or oil in it, as your powers that be have deemed them to be 'unhealthy' and the cause of increased health care expenses.
So, tell me, is a fast food burger in your neck of the woods more or less expensive than a large salad?

There has been talk of such a tax several years ago. I havn't heard of it since.. perhaps because more proof are showing that fat is healthy and it's the sugars (as in white sugar and processed foods) that makes fat people. Now there's even investigations showing that people like me - BMI 25-30 - has a DEcreased risk of dying too soon compared to ''normal'' weight people. (my guess is that the normal weight people in our society just lacks muscle instead of fat, but..)

To answer your question: A salad is about the same as a hamburger meal. BigMac & co = 65skr, a sallad at a pizza place = 60-70skr, hamburger at the same place pretty much the same, pizza is everything between 50-90 depending of what you have on it and where you go.
We also need to concider the price of ingredients. Meat as in beef is more expencive than let's say chicken. I have no idea how our food prices are compared to yours. Compared to norway we're cheap :lol: I've heard a pizza over there could be 300-400kr instead of 60-70 here..

 

[Happy]

That's a bit of a price difference, I think.

 

[bowbuild]

I hate Ted Nuggent! Ted finds humor in killing to kill, not for food. There is no way he , or any other TV slaughter hunting show with the SAME host needs to kill the amount of animals they do for pleasure....and it is that pleasure! If they would rotate your average "JOE" in and out of hunting shows I would be in favor of that...but to make yourself rich from being a paid sponsered hinchman is rediculious.

Ted, and others like him remind me of a kid with a mohawk, tatoos, earings daggling from their face.....if you don't like negetive attention....then shut up! Act somewhat normal and let others obsorb the spotlight, so it is not directed at you.......of course that is what the really want...the spotlight, there is NO bad publicity for these "stars" just more plulicity....not much different then linsey lowhoe

Sorry for going off topic. I despise the guy, and I am a hunter.

 

[Happy]

Couldn't care less how killing makes him FEEL. He is responsible about what he does with the carcasses, as well as is responsible ecologically. He donates TONS (literally) of meat to homeless shelters, and still feeds his family on "organic" meat. If he ENJOYS it, then I'm glad he hunts deer instead of humans.

 

[bowbuild]

Not real sure about the "I'm glad he hunts deer instead of humans." Makes him sound out of control... :mrgreen: Either way I am glad he uses the meat....but stand by my statement.

 

[Happy]

Not real sure about the "I'm glad he hunts deer instead of humans." Makes him sound out of control...

When a guy like Nuge goes out of control, you get a Willy Pickton.

:mrgreen: Either way I am glad he uses the meat....but stand by my statement.

That's ok, moral judgments made by individuals are irrelevant anyway.

Dude, you live like 30 miles from half my family.

 

[bowbuild]

Good to meet ya!

 

[Happy]

You too. considering your location, it's probably not the first time :lol: