Debate: Don't eat anything with a face

[LilacGal]

Nah we don't eat humans because we're at the top of the food chain and have concentrated levels of gunk in our bodies. Sort of like Mercury in Tuna and other large fish.

 

[Zass]

Nah we don't eat humans because we're at the top of the food chain and have concentrated levels of gunk in our bodies. Sort of like Mercury in Tuna and other large fish.

Ah, THATS a good point. I think it's really the same reason we don't eat most predators, and most predators don't prefer to eat each other.

It makes me appreciate again how clean, healthy and digestible rabbit meat is.

My diet is mostly rabbit, venison, local garden produce and coffee. I've GAINED weight on it, in a good way, since I was struggling to maintain 112 lbs before.

 

[skysthelimit]

My sister in law picked up a cucumber from the store. She was greatly disappointed, after spending the summer eating from my cucumber patch. big juicy rabbit fertilized, seed grown cucumberss. My moth just waters thinking about them.

 

[mystang89]

True sky. I thought the exact same thing for my cucumbers. Sad days.

On a different note I think they should draw faces on fruit and see how many people who don't eat things with faces eat them. Go Go cucumber man!

 

[Frecs]

On a different note I think they should draw faces on fruit and see how many people who don't eat things with faces eat them. Go Go cucumber man!

They do! VEGGIE TALES!! Bob the Tomato, Larry the Cucumber (NOT a PICKLE) ...and don't forget the French Peas!!

Sing it!!!

If you like to talk to tomatoes
If a squash can make you smile
If you like to waltz with potatoes
Up and down the produce aisle...
Have we got a show for you!

VeggieTales, VeggieTales, VeggieTales, VeggieTales, VeggieTales, VeggieTales, VeggieTales, VeggieTales!

Broccoli! Celery! Gotta be
VeggieTales!
Lima beans! Collard greens! Peachy keen!
VeggieTales!
Cauliflower! Sweet and sour! Half an hour!
VeggieTales!
There's never-ever-ever-ever-ever been a show like VeggieTales!

 

[LilacGal]

On a different note I think they should draw faces on fruit and see how many people who don't eat things with faces eat them. Go Go cucumber man!

They do! VEGGIE TALES!! Bob the Tomato, Larry the Cucumber (NOT a PICKLE) ...and don't forget the French Peas!!

Sing it!!!

If you like to talk to tomatoes
If a squash can make you smile
If you like to waltz with potatoes
Up and down the produce aisle...
Have we got a show for you!

VeggieTales, VeggieTales, VeggieTales, VeggieTales, VeggieTales, VeggieTales, VeggieTales, VeggieTales!

Broccoli! Celery! Gotta be
VeggieTales!
Lima beans! Collard greens! Peachy keen!
VeggieTales!
Cauliflower! Sweet and sour! Half an hour!
VeggieTales!
There's never-ever-ever-ever-ever been a show like VeggieTales!

Curses!!! Now I'll have that song stuck in my head all day!!! It's bad enough I have two kids under 8 in the house!

 

[DanaYares]

I was so disappointed with that debate... My hero, Joel Salitin, came across as an idiot. The whole premiss was flawed from the beginning. Neither side could show real causation of any bad or good health effects from eating or not eating meat. AND the studies that were profiled all used factory or processed meat.

I also have to say that I am SO sick of the either/or way of looking at things... Either you don't eat any animal products or you're a meat glutton. Why can't someone PLEASE talk about a balanced diet, which includes some meat and also lots of vegetables? I guess this is too boring and doesn't get the air time of extreme views. :x

 

[OneAcreFarm]

I was so disappointed with that debate... My hero, Joel Salitin, came across as an idiot. The whole premiss was flawed from the beginning. Neither side could show real causation of any bad or good health effects from eating or not eating meat. AND the studies that were profiled all used factory or processed meat.

I also have to say that I am SO sick of the either/or way of looking at things... Either you don't eat any animal products or you're a meat glutton. Why can't someone PLEASE talk about a balanced diet, which includes some meat and also lots of vegetables? I guess this is too boring and doesn't get the air time of extreme views. :x

Dana, check out the Paleo Diet.....

http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2010/10 ... aleo-diet/

Meat(or eggs)
Fresh Veggies
Some Fruits
Nuts and seeds
Healthy oils

That is it....

Primal is similar, but with dairy added.

 

[Frecs]

I was so disappointed with that debate... My hero, Joel Salitin, came across as an idiot. The whole premiss was flawed from the beginning. Neither side could show real causation of any bad or good health effects from eating or not eating meat. AND the studies that were profiled all used factory or processed meat.

I also have to say that I am SO sick of the either/or way of looking at things... Either you don't eat any animal products or you're a meat glutton. Why can't someone PLEASE talk about a balanced diet, which includes some meat and also lots of vegetables? I guess this is too boring and doesn't get the air time of extreme views. :x

Dana, check out the Paleo Diet.....

http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2010/10 ... aleo-diet/

Meat(or eggs)
Fresh Veggies
Some Fruits
Nuts and seeds
Healthy oils

That is it....

Primal is similar, but with dairy added.

Or the Weston A Price Foundation --> Nourishing Traditions

Meat (grass-fed or for fish, wild caught)
eggs (pastured hens)
milk (raw, and some fermented)
grains (fermented first)
legumes (fermented first)
fruits
veggies (at least some fermented)
Healthy fats/oils (coconut oil, EVOO, lard, real butter from grass-fed cows)
nuts and seeds

 

[DogCatMom]

For the...ah...lazy among us, there's always Marion Nestle's rule of thumb: don't purchase anything with more than five ingredients on the label.

Although the above recommendations (Paleo, WAPrice Fdn) are truly excellent, I live with a completely unmotivated DH. When he was diagnosed w/diabetes in 2004, I was ready to turn my kitchen upside-down for him. However, he continued to buy ice cream, "Healthy Choice" frozen meals (for himself; I can't/won't eat them due to the sodium count), and such like.

So he buys his breakfast and lunch in a box stuff, I make my granola and get fruit for myself and make "burritos" or just have crackers and hummus for lunch. Then dinner is protein + veg/fruit + starch (often, sweet potato fries).

It's weird, but it's the best I can manage given my energy and the Immovable Object. :?

 

[michaels4gardens]

Once upon a time I worked for a animal feed company, [research and development]
I played with all kinds of feed rations and feed efficency testing. I worked with Chico State U and some oothers.
The trouble with using "Natural" methods, is no funding, or worse yet an antagonist attitude, because of their funding.[UC Davis}
I did some chicken crossing and came up with an efficent layer that laid green eggs, [green eggs sold well in the "health consious " market.]
I had the eggs tested, and they came back with 42 miligrams of cholesterol, compared to 100 to 150 for the average store bought white egg [as documented in the USDA database]. I thought I was a genious and we began to market eggs.
Some time later I had a round of testing and included all kinds of eggs, as well as just plain old white leghorn eggs from the farm.
The result came back and I was shocked, -- all of the eggs were less then 50 in cholesterol. After some research, I found out-- that the Gov. USDA was lieing about the nutrient values in eggs, -while it was true that commercial white eggs had a lot of cholesterol, their database said that there was no disernable diference between pastured, or chickens eggs from chickens fed a natural diet, and the standard cage raised commercial egg.
So I was not as smart as I thought I was, -- the real diference was the feed,and exersize and not my wonderful crossed breed of chickens.
In talking to my friends at the University, they said that tests had come back for a long time showing what I had found, but-- the USDA was on the payroll of the poultry organizations, and would not print anything that adversly affected commercial opperations.
So the ignorance of, myself, the Public, and "educated" groups was caused from the assumption that the USDA could be counted on to tell us the truth.
The natural question that came to mind was, -- could the USDA be counted on to tell us any truth?

 

[MamaSheepdog]

The natural question that came to mind was, -- could the USDA be counted on to tell us any truth?

Considering it is a government bureaucracy, the answer would be a resounding NO. At least in my opinion.

 

[michaels4gardens]

Sometime later, [after the chicken thing] I had Tomatoes and a few other vegetables tested, and compared the "organic" farm raised "vegetables" to USDA published data, -to see if Organic raised food was worth the trouble, - Organic, was pretty close to what the USDA had published, with only slight to moderate improvements, , but-- with some further looking into the data, I discovered that the Nutrient values represented in the USDA info was 60+ years old,[30 years ago] -- so we bought some of the same vegetables from the grocery store and had those tested to see if it was still a valad nutrient value, --It wasn't even close, - the food we bought had far less nutrient values then those represented in the USDA info.
so -- I thought ,probably- that all those years of "chemical Farming" had depleted the soil, or caused some other damage to our food nutrient values. -any way--
I wonder how much the meat we eat from commercial sources, reflects the loss of nutrient values in the soil and food they eat, and what other unforseen consequences of these farming methods can we expect to see in the "future". [if there is such a thing]

 

[Cottie]

[Eeh, I'd say its probably more of a survival technique... Ya know.. Cannibilasm and all.
Bears don't die of diseases when they eat us, so clearly we're edible... I just think cannibilasm of any species is supposed to be deterred, so you get more diseases from cannibilasm, then you would even of a cousin species.

Just a theory, I'd have to do more cannibilasm research and I'm tired :?

"A Modest Proposal" anyone?

(by Jonathan Swift...)

Mmmmm...gloves!

 

[alforddm]

Sometime later, [after the chicken thing] I had Tomatoes and a few other vegetables tested, and compared the "organic" farm raised "vegetables" to USDA published data, -to see if Organic raised food was worth the trouble, - Organic, was pretty close to what the USDA had published, with only slight to moderate improvements, , but-- with some further looking into the data, I discovered that the Nutrient values represented in the USDA info was 60+ years old,[30 years ago] -- so we bought some of the same vegetables from the grocery store and had those tested to see if it was still a valad nutrient value, --It wasn't even close, - the food we bought had far less nutrient values then those represented in the USDA info.
so -- I thought ,probably- that all those years of "chemical Farming" had depleted the soil, or caused some other damage to our food nutrient values. -any way--
I wonder how much the meat we eat from commercial sources, reflects the loss of nutrient values in the soil and food they eat, and what other unforseen consequences of these farming methods can we expect to see in the "future". [if there is such a thing]

I know this is an old post and I didn't want to bring it back to the top, but I did want to thank you for this post and the one about eggs a few above it. I had been wondering about the nutrient value of foods for some time but your post really solidified some things for me.

Thank you!

 

[MamaSheepdog]

I know this is an old post and I didn't want to bring it back to the top

We don't mind when old threads resurface. There have been some fabulous discussions here at RT- some enlightening, some sad, and some humorous- so it is kind of nice to see them again, and also to hear what our newer members have to say about the subject if they weren't here when the thread was active.

So continue to browse through the older posts, and if you have something to add, please don't hesitate to do so!

 

[alforddm]

Well, I feel really silly now ....I totally meant that to be a PM to michaels4gardens. I must have been so lost in thought that I wasn't paying attention to what I was doing. :rotfl:

I'm glad I didn't say anything personal or incriminating. :lol: :lol: :x

I should have just passed it off as if I intended to do it. 8) :nice: :nice:

 

[MamaSheepdog]

I'm glad I didn't say anything personal or incriminating. :lol: :lol: :x

*Snort!*

 

[wamplercathy]

It's very easy to prove we are meant to have some animal products in our diet. We lack the ability to absorb vitamins like b12 from any other source. It is created by our digestive tract after it passes the section that can absorb it. This is why herbivores have multiple stomachs, chew cud, have cecums, or ingest their own droppings. They all have ways to get such vitamins. Carnivores and most omnivores then get the vitamins from the herbivores. OF course in a society with vitamin supplements and fortified foods we can manage a vegetarian/vegan diet but biology says that's not what we evolved for. There's a reason attempts at an all vegan society have failed and resulted in the children becoming ill and even dying. You don't need much of vitamins like b12 though because they are stored well in the body so much less animal products are needed than we actually consume even if we didn't have fortified foods and it takes many years to end up with a deficiency if you started out eating a diet with animal products and became vegan later. Unless you have malabsorption disorders like me and end up researching this stuff because you come up with a vitamin deficiency despite a normal diet.

For whatever reason my body doesn't hold/maintain b12 very well. So I have to eat either very high protein meats or double the daily average. One of the many reasons I got into raising rabbits. I tried going vegan once and even had a dietitian working with me. After 6months I was hospitalized because my b12 was too low. Tried vegetarian also but there is just something that is in meat that my body has to have. At this point my diet is 3/4 meat and 1/4veg/fruit, and little to no grains.

:? It would not surprise me that in the future we will discover that even plants have a nervous system. At that point the vegans will go extinct. :shock: :lol: :lol:

 

[Schipperkesue]

I shall have to share my own take on this. Due to numerous food allergies to many plant forms of protein, I cannot eat legumes or nuts. I also have sensitivities to milk and eggs in large amounts. I would be hard pressed to exist on a face-free diet. If I wanted to. And I don't want to.