White snotty nose, what is it and what drug to use?

[Secuono]

Which is weird, because she was laying down and calm, they both were really laid back in the carriers. Oh well.
Ollitos lives too far for me to drive all the way back. I spent $15 on gas to get to her house and back. $30 for sight seeing with no job is not going to happen.

 

[ollitos]

As for a stressful drive.. I drove an hour and a half with all 12 rabbits and never had a problem. I'm not sure why CNB's drive would be so much more stressful.

I am literally sick to my stomach about this. None of the others are showing any signs of issues. The dogs, the chickens, the kids, trucks farm equipment... all going on around them and none of them have stressed.

I wish there was a swab test I could run.

I agree with looking at the longevity of a herd. I shelled out a lot of money for all these does. If they are all sick, I'm going to seriously go postal.

 

[Secuono]

I can't believe my luck...
Hopefully your other buns are healthy and this one is just a freak occurrence...

 

[MaggieJ]

What you say makes good sense, Ladyown. You've convinced me. Even if it is allergies, the best thing would be to put her down.

Ollitos, this is in NO WAY anything to blame yourself for. There is no way you could have known what would happen. It could be the stress of two recent changes was more than the doe could handle and triggered something. Truly hope the others are all right.

 

[ladysown]

thought I'd write a blog post explaining my point of view a bit. For those interested : http://athomepets.weebly.com/1/post/201 ... point.html

I'm happy to edit to make things clearer that I may have missed or not explained clearly enough.

 

[Mary Ann's Rabbitry]

The P word or not, that's what it means to me.

That was basicly what i was saying but in a nice way.

__________ Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:19 am __________

As for a stressful drive.. I drove an hour and a half with all 12 rabbits and never had a problem. I'm not sure why CNB's drive would be so much more stressful.

That drive and new place and all. Then drive again ... It was to much for her.

__________ Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:23 am __________

I am literally sick to my stomach about this.

Dont worry to much about it. It does happen to the best of us. We all know it isnt your fault. If you seen it you wouldnt of sold it to her.

 

[-HRanchito]

You'll be okay. Just cull the sick ones out. I was in this situation a few months ago, and I got 3 good kits out of 8, but it's progress. I would rather have an immune herd than a herd that's never been exposed to this stuff at all.

 

[Secuono]

And what do I do? Wait a week or take her back right now?

 

[ladysown]

i'd take her back....or better yet...ask the person you got her from to meet you half way. it would be up to you if you wanted to ask her for a replacement...to choose a different female to replace her, or to ask for your dollars back. See...the buck is fine right? so it could be a different bunny will have a stronger immune system. I'd keep the buck in quarantine for a good long time, and pick one doe that you can afford to lose, breed her IN ISOLATION and see what happens with her and the kits. Do the same with the doe.

 

[Secuono]

Oh no!!!! None of them have had wet noses or sneezing at all. But that's why I have them in quarantine.. to wait it out and see. But I was out with them this morning and they all looked fine.

I'm supposed to go down your way the weekend of the 29th. If the sneezing is not resolved, we'll work it out.

Seems like I will be meeting you on your trip.



Rabbits...why isn't there a simple blood test or a vaccine for this yet? People breed them in huge commercial scales like cattle and the such, there seems to be a need for it...

 

[OneAcreFarm]

And what do I do? Wait a week or take her back right now?

CnB,

The rest of your herd is at risk if you keep these rabbits. White snot is an automatic ticket to freezer camp at our barn. We lost our entire herd when we first started up due to a sick bunny that was fine until about three weeks after I got her home. She infected my entire herd and I lost 24 rabbits over the course of 3 months. I tried treating with antibiotics and all it did was suppress the symptoms. Your doe has a latent pasteurella infection and the buck, while he is not displaying any symptoms, may be carrying it. I would take them back and disinfect the heck out of anything that touched them or they touched. If you cannot take them back, dispatch the doe and keep the buck in quarantine for a month, at least.

Just read thru the other posts, so felt an edit was necessary.

Ollitos, I agree with MaggieJ...there is no reason to blame yourself. This sort of thing happens sometimes....sounds like the doe has a weak immune system and the double move was too much for her.

 

[MaggieJ]

As I understand the situation, Ollitos recently bought a large number of rabbits recently and subsequntly sold two to CnB. None of the rabbits Ollitos bought showed any symptoms, including the ones CnB bought until CnB was on her way home with them. I do not feel that Ollitos was in any way to blame for this. She bought and resold the rabbits in good faith.

Personally I would just send both doe and buck to freezer camp and chalk it up as an unfortunate incident.

Edited to add: I see my recap of the situation was unnecessary, OAF.

 

[MamaSheepdog]

One thing that we can all learn from this is that selling rabbits shortly after acquiring them is not a good idea. I agree that the stress of the moves coming so close together is likely what brought this out. I would recommend at least a 30 day quarantine in the future before reselling.

Sorry for you both, CnB and Ollitos! I hope the rest of the rabbits you bought remain healthy, Olli!

 

[OneAcreFarm]

As I understand the situation, Ollitos recently bought a large number of rabbits recently and subsequntly sold two to CnB. None of the rabbits Ollitos bought showed any symptoms, including the ones CnB bought until CnB was on her way home with them. I do not feel that Ollitos was in any way to blame for this. She bought and resold the rabbits in good faith.

Personally I would just send both doe and buck to freezer camp and chalk it up as an unfortunate incident.

Edited to add: I see my recap of the situation was unnecessary, OAF.

Yup, after I read thru, I realized what was going on...man, that really stinks. As MSD stated, we have all learned a very valuable lesson....I am just sorry that CnB and Ollitos had to learn it first hand. Hopefully it was just that one...

 

[ollitos]

My gut instinct was not to sell one of the new rabbits because they were still in quarantine. But she really wanted one - knowing that they had only just been purchased - and I'm a nice enough person to want to help out and now I'm screwed. I think I'm done doing favors.

I'm so mad and frustrated about this whole situation mostly because rabbits seem to be such a 'wait and see if they croak' proposition. I'm dealing with vent disease in all my Silver Foxes because of two does I purchased and kept in quarantine but evidently they are carriers. Now I'm dealing with possible pasturella and losing a huge investment. Greg is going to totally flip out.

Add all this to a lot of other financial and personal problems going on and I'm just done. I give. Uncle.

 

[MaggieJ]

Hang in there, Sharon. You certainly have had a rough year. A lot of us have hit rough spots along the way, but they don't last forever.

The one thing I keep saying is that once you get your foundation stock, close your rabbitry to new rabbits and visitors. Your rabbits can't get these diseases unless they are brought in somehow... and new rabbits are the main cause. Look at what happened to OneAcreFarm when she started out. She brought in one feed store rabbit and did not quarantine. She lost nearly her whole herd. But she learned from that sad experience and bounced back and now has thriving bunnies. You can too.

 

[Secuono]

Was the SF issue from the bucks you bought and I also purchased one of them...?
And you could of simply said 'no', I didn't pull your arm.


I would of butchered all of my rabbits and restarted if it was easier to get stock to being with, but they aren't here when you need them.

 

[ollitos]

The SF buck you have was not infected. He was never bred. The does I purchased brought the vent disease in and spread it to the bucks once I started trying to breed them.

I should have said no. My gut instinct was to say no since they hadn't gone through quarantine. But I knew how hard you've been looking for stock and wanted to help out. I know what it's like when you are trying to accomplish a goal and just can't get a break.

I would have really appreciated it if you had contacted me privately once a problem was evident. But you didn't and because that I've learned a lot. It just would have been nice if you had said something to me.

 

[Secuono]

I never mentioned you personally. I was going to message you once I got an idea what the forum thought would be best to do, but you showed up and announced they were your rabbits before I could.

 

[MaggieJ]

I really feel that no one was to blame for this situation. Ollitos acted in good faith and so did CnB. When one purchases anything the old adage Caveat emptor (Let the buyer beware.) applies.

CnB, be glad the problem showed up immediately so that your other rabbits are not at risk. There is always a risk when bringing in new stock, which is one reason I do it only of absolutely necessary.

I would hate for any animosity to result from this unhappy incident. Both of you have suffered from this situation. If anyone is responsible - and I'm not sure anyone is - then it is the person who sold Ollitos the rabbits.

Every rabbitry has its own "family germs" which the rabbits carry but are generally asymtomatic. Sudden changes can make symptoms flare up. This is one reason that I no longer sell live rabbits. My little herd is healthy but I don't know what they may carry that would endanger someone else's rabbbits.