What's the deal with pasteurella?

[bitterroot]

Always always ALWAYS quarantine new rabbits away from existing stock, and take care of them last.

I'm so sad today. Went out to feed and all was fine until I got to the mini rex group I got a couple weeks ago and paid handsomely for. Two of the does were sneezing with white snot, so I culled every last one of them. The only thing that will save my floridas is that I'm a stickler for quarantining any animals that come in. The breeder talked me into taking a few extra rabbits, one of which was a REW doe that was sneezing. She said she'd been that way for the two years she'd had her, and had done fine regardless. I saw no snotty nose or paws, so thought it might just be a cold or something. Did some research here when I got home, and found that there's no such thing as colds for rabbits. Cue sinking feeling in the stomach.

I treated the doe with bicillin, and the breath issues went away. She'd been clean two weeks, and no other signs with anyone else.

So, I'm done with mini rex people. I've never had a good experience with one of them. I'm sure there are nice folks out there, but the ones I've had the displeasure to deal with have been dishonest and flat out mean and/or rude people. She told me they were pedigreed (and charged me pedigreed prices to boot), but someone had her pedigree book to enter them into evens for her so she'd have to mail them. That plus the sneezing doe should have made me turn round and run outta there. Now I know why she was so desperate to sell off all her rabbits. She's got pasteurella going through there like wildfire and wants to cash out while she still can. Karma's a you know what.

Sorry for the rant. I'm just disgusted and heartsick right now.<br /><br />__________ Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:37 pm __________<br /><br />Wow, the expression of sympathy is overwhelming. Thanks guys.

Here's a suggestion. If you aren't going to be welcoming to newbies, instead preferring to give them the cold shoulder and ignore their posts, why not make it a private, exclusive forum? Then you won't have to worry about us trying to share our pesky experiences or asking those stupid questions you clearly hate answering.

Good luck. I'm done trying to socialize with rabbit folks. Y'all sure are a snotty bunch.

 

[skysthelimit]

Always always ALWAYS quarantine new rabbits away from existing stock, and take care of them last.

I'm so sad today. Went out to feed and all was fine until I got to the mini rex group I got a couple weeks ago and paid handsomely for. Two of the does were sneezing with white snot, so I culled every last one of them. The only thing that will save my floridas is that I'm a stickler for quarantining any animals that come in. The breeder talked me into taking a few extra rabbits, one of which was a REW doe that was sneezing. She said she'd been that way for the two years she'd had her, and had done fine regardless. I saw no snotty nose or paws, so thought it might just be a cold or something. Did some research here when I got home, and found that there's no such thing as colds for rabbits. Cue sinking feeling in the stomach.

I treated the doe with bicillin, and the breath issues went away. She'd been clean two weeks, and no other signs with anyone else.

So, I'm done with mini rex people. I've never had a good experience with one of them. I'm sure there are nice folks out there, but the ones I've had the displeasure to deal with have been dishonest and flat out mean and/or rude people. She told me they were pedigreed (and charged me pedigreed prices to boot), but someone had her pedigree book to enter them into evens for her so she'd have to mail them. That plus the sneezing doe should have made me turn round and run outta there. Now I know why she was so desperate to sell off all her rabbits. She's got pasteurella going through there like wildfire and wants to cash out while she still can. Karma's a you know what.

Sorry for the rant. I'm just disgusted and heartsick right now.

__________ Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:37 pm __________

Wow, the expression of sympathy is overwhelming. Thanks guys.

Here's a suggestion. If you aren't going to be welcoming to newbies, instead preferring to give them the cold shoulder and ignore their posts, why not make it a private, exclusive forum? Then you won't have to worry about us trying to share our pesky experiences or asking those stupid questions you clearly hate answering.

Good luck. I'm done trying to socialize with rabbit folks. Y'all sure are a snotty bunch.

Huh? As far as I know, this post just posted. Since I have no life, and most people here have families and such, I refresh the RT page every hour and try to post with something if no one else has answered yet. It's been a little slow around here, probably people busy making holiday preparations, but no one is intentionally ignoring anyone' posts.

 

[Miss M]

Wow, the expression of sympathy is overwhelming. Thanks guys.

Here's a suggestion. If you aren't going to be welcoming to newbies, instead preferring to give them the cold shoulder and ignore their posts, why not make it a private, exclusive forum? Then you won't have to worry about us trying to share our pesky experiences or asking those stupid questions you clearly hate answering.

Good luck. I'm done trying to socialize with rabbit folks. Y'all sure are a snotty bunch.

Really?

After an hour (at least, that's what it looks like), you decide you're being ignored?

If you look above your post, you'll see that the post before it was 4 days ago. And before that, there were maybe one or two posts per day on it. This was never one of those threads that gets 20 replies in a couple of hours.

This forum prides itself on being very welcoming to newbies, and on answering questions, and on being supportive. "Snotty"? Wow.

Have your posts been going unanswered? Or was this the result of this particular post? I will look.<br /><br />__________ Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:08 am __________<br /><br />Your very first post, post107268.html#p107268 , you had two responses within 30 minutes. You then thanked them for their quick replies. You had another response after that.

Your first topic, taking-nestbox-kits-out-of-mom-s-cage-returning-to-nurse-t10355.html , got 12 responses, most of them within 2 days.

post107286.html#p107286 - yep, got a response to that one, too.

finally-have-some-popples-of-my-own-to-share-t10638.html - lots of responses.

post112447.html#p112447 - she answered your question.

post112451.html#p112451 - you got a laugh from MSD.

A few more, and replies to them... several comments along the lines of "cute popples" and "I'm sorry that happened", that usually don't get specifically answered, which is normal...

post114716.html#p114716 - you asked a question that did not get answered. Must be the one post on the whole forum that MSD missed reading, because she surely would have answered you, and she says she reads everything.

I can't look at them all tonight, but so far, it looks like the typical pleasant RT experience. I don't know what we have done to make you feel this way.

 

[Bad Habit]

I just gotta throw my 2 cents in here.

I love this forum. I love the members, how friendly and helpful they are, how they give advice, encouragement, support. When the OSPCA was at my house, the very first thing I did was come here and post. I didn't call my mum or any other family member, I turned on my computer, and came here, and poured my heart out. I never fear being judged for my mistakes, or any dumb questions I might have. I have probably joined a hundred forums in the past for various things, and this is the ONLY one where I was in the running for being an active member for an extended length of time.

I find everyone here is VERY welcoming. Whenever someone new posts, there's always at least a few welcoming posts on their first thread, and everyone welcomes them with open arms. The advice, commiseration, friendship... It's priceless. I recommend this forum to people who buy rabbits off me, because I know that this isn't the sort of place where people are of the mindset that "my way is the ONLY way". The information here, the probably hundreds of years of combined rabbit husbandry experience, the good nature of posters... I've always said it is my most valuable tool in rabbit care.

Maybe people didn't jump right up and reply to your thread. Maybe people didn't know exactly what to say, or were busy. It had only been an hour, and although it might seem like a lifetime, it's not long at all. Everyone here obviously has rabbits to care for, and most of us have other pets, we have friends and family offline, activities we partake in, houses to keep clean. Just because you don't get a response right away doesn't mean you'll never get a response. Just because people have lives away from the computer doesn't mean they're snobby.

Oh well. We might not live in perfect harmony, but who does? I love my RT family, and I'm so happy to have found you guys.

 

[OneAcreFarm]

Really not nice to take out your frustrations on us.. :| ..many of us have had the exact same experiences as you are dealing with and yes, it is crappy and horrible. Should it happen? No....Does it? unfortunately, yes. Have you contacted the breeder again to request a refund? I would do that first, then make sure to do a thorough disinfecting of ANYTHING that came in contact with those rabbits. I am sorry that you are dealing with this, I have been there myself and it stinks...

 

[GBov]

My life is slammin' right now so I miss stuff all the time It doesn't mean I dont care though, just that I am busy.

Back to pasteurella now with another question.

Is it true that a positive doe gives birth to negative kits and they only catch it later on?

And if that is true, can I breed two positive animals and then dispatch the buck, keep the doe until she kindles, foster her kits onto another doe and then dispatch her?

As a way to save a bloodline or color?

Most likely I will just give up on several of my rabbits and cull them as I now have active sneezing and runny noses in one grow out pen and a really important buck is sneezing too.

Oh, and if I cull every suspect animal, how long until I can be sure no one else has it?

I know I said I needed more cage space but I didnt mean it like THIS!

 

[Mary Ann's Rabbitry]

Good luck. I'm done trying to socialize with rabbit folks. Y'all sure are a snotty bunch.

a snotty bunch.. WOW,, where do you get off saying that. If anything they are all the opposite.

 

[OneAcreFarm]

My life is slammin' right now so I miss stuff all the time It doesn't mean I dont care though, just that I am busy.

Back to pasteurella now with another question.

Is it true that a positive doe gives birth to negative kits and they only catch it later on?

And if that is true, can I breed two positive animals and then dispatch the buck, keep the doe until she kindles, foster her kits onto another doe and then dispatch her?

As a way to save a bloodline or color?

Most likely I will just give up on several of my rabbits and cull them as I now have active sneezing and runny noses in one grow out pen and a really important buck is sneezing too.

Oh, and if I cull every suspect animal, how long until I can be sure no one else has it?

I know I said I needed more cage space but I didnt mean it like THIS!

Yes, the kits are born pasteurella free, but as soon as she cleans them, they are exposed to the bacteria from her mouth and nose. I would not foster kits from a known pasteurella carrier to any doe I wanted to keep. If you keep the kits, you can dispatch the doe at 3wks and then keep the kits in quarantine until they reach breeding age. If they have not displayed symptoms by then, breed them to see if the stress of kindling will bring out any latent infection. In the mean time, you must practice strict isolation protocols for the quarantined ones, to keep from cross contaminating your herd. So you see, it is quite time consuming and labor intensive.

 

[Mary Ann's Rabbitry]

So you see, it is quite time consuming and labor intensive.

yes,it is... but it is worth it . .especially if she is a show doe or you really need that color and or type in your breeding program.

 

[akane]

I was told to put the doe on antibiotics from a couple weeks before she was due until the kits are weaned to suppress the pastuerella and keep it from spreading to the kits. That supposedly would keep them clear. Then cull the doe, sterilize the cage, and wait to see if it worked. The same might work for a buck before using him for breeding. I can tell you though rabbits get quite wise to daily medication and quite difficult. We had to treat cocci and couldn't put the meds in the colony waterer and by day 21 the rabbits were wilder than a jack rabbit and had learned every trick to catching and holding them.