best, very impressive young doe - pending sale
buck
buck - pending sale
buck
buck
doe - pending sale
doe
These kits are off my sons' doe. Quite impressed with this does' first time litter.
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Jack":300lvd63 said:actually, that's a laugh, I hear people saying 'breed into a white'
But, that's the last thing I would do, because the color is masked,
Hence my question, of where the recessive is popping out of.
Actually, I am a NZ newbie, so I shouldn't say too much here, but I thought the reason people reccommend to breed into white is that that is where the commercial lines are, so you get some practical traits like large litter size, fertility, and physical type (in some cases). It also depends on your goals of course. Color is easier to "set" supposedly than type, probably for the pure reason that it is more easily visible/quantifiable. Genetically of course, genes are either there or not, and you have a 50/50 shot for getting the one you want at any given locus, but if you are selecting for a gene that isn't immeadiately visible in the nest box, and you are inexperienced to boot, it IS harder to select for type, weight gain, and fertility, practically speaking.moonkitten":3mxadff0 said:Jack":3mxadff0 said:actually, that's a laugh, I hear people saying 'breed into a white'
But, that's the last thing I would do, because the color is masked,
Hence my question, of where the recessive is popping out of.
I agree completely! I have no idea why so many breeders recommend crossing to NZW to improve body type. Sure they have great type, but who knows what other colour genes that rabbit is carrying!!
Jack":307b5nyh said:Magpie is ej, cause the mom is ee to be red, so how is the mom lacking a dominate C, I thought that to be red they had to be A_B_C_D_ee
so for the magpie is it non agouti, or diluted agouti?
ladysown":1mc9joas said:similar breedings with her mother always resulted in black jap kits - some with the odd white foot. No exceptions. So having the magpie and the REW in there was a HUH?
eco2pia":2v98ot55 said:I thought the reason people reccommend to breed into white is that that is where the commercial lines are, so you get some practical traits like large litter size, fertility, and physical type (in some cases).
Snipped for brevity...I am having an A-HA :idea: moment--You mean other breeds bring in NZW to help type? I was thinking of bringing NZW into other NZ color lines, like my (hypothetical, not yet bred) NZ reds and brokens... in that case the commercial white makes a lot of sense, since it IS the same breed, just a different line. Though I would rather work in the reds alone, my buck has commercial lines on one side, and I am pretty happy about it. AND I love New Zealand Reds, so I understand your bias!moonkitten":15okso8s said:You're right, it does depend on what your goals are.... If you're goal is to produce purebred rabbits for show or sale, then crossing a white NZ into a coloured breed may set you back farther than you intended simply because you don't know what you're adding in.
If your goal is to keep a breed pure, but you want a short cut to increase litter size or body type, there might be a better choice than always immediately going to NZW.... But then I'm biased -- I love my black New Zealands!
eco2pia":2nen0k30 said:I was thinking of bringing NZW into other NZ color lines, like my (hypothetical, not yet bred) NZ reds and brokens... in that case the commercial white makes a lot of sense, since it IS the same breed, just a different line
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