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Okay, so I know the Lionheads passed in REW and tort, so that's five varieties they can be bred for? I think so anyway. Very neat, of course, with plenty of people now able to officially show their maned buns, but I'm curious about what other breed varieties passed as well?

I know that the chinchilla variety of the Dutch passed their third and final showing, which means they are now recognized, but what other varieties won this round, or failed epically? :popcorn: I must know.
 
Okay, this looks really official, but I found a picture of a dry erase board on ARBA's Facebook page. :roll: Haven't found anything else yet.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/2013...653.1073741826.297985693654136&type=1&theater

New Zealand Blues were pulled. What does that mean! :eek: I don't think it is good. :(<br /><br />__________ Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:12 pm __________<br /><br />Never mind, I found out what it means. :cry_baby:
 
What does it mean?<br /><br />__________ Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:00 pm __________<br /><br />Silver Fox Blues failed again. Chocolate's COD has expired.

I'm sad about the Blues not passing...
 
Man, I actually remember when blue Silver Fox used to be recognized! (I think they lost their recognized status in the mid-90's.) It's too bad that the blue variety was "lost", since it's such a hassle to get it re-recognized. A nice blue SF is a thing of beauty.
 
I wish folks would concentrate on the Blues getting recognized instead of trying to create other colors.<br /><br />__________ Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:38 pm __________<br /><br />I wish folks would concentrate on the Blues getting recognized instead of trying to create other colors.
 
Frecs":2scsxwut said:
What does it mean?
From what I understand it means the person presenting them pulled them until the next convention. :(
Dood":2scsxwut said:
What is the word after "failed" on the silver fox? I...... Something?
One of the comments on fb says that it says inconsistant.
 
Black Giant Angoras failed on...weight?! One breed/type failed on...tail.

Not sure whether I want to pursue acquisition of a Giant Angora (white) or another Angora breed. I had hoped Black would pass; that way the (ahem) dust bunnies around the house would be color-coordinated with my mostly black Berner(s).

(Right now I have only one Berner, but in Rescue, you just never know....)
 
I think I got em all down right from the scribbly board pic...

NZ blue 1st- pulled
dutch chinchilla 3rd- pass
lionhead REW 3rd- pass
lionhead tort 3rd- pass
mini satin copper 2nd- pass
SF chocolate 2nd- fail, inconsistent
SF blue 3rd- fail, inconsistent
mini satin californian 1st- pass
mini rex sable 1st- fail, type
mini satin silver martin 2nd- pass
britannia petite tort 1st- fail, type
britannia petite siamese sable 1st- fail, type
mini satin tort 3rd- pass
mini satin blue 3rd- pass
mini satin (cant read) 2nd- pass
britannia petite BEW 2nd- pass
mini satin squirrel 1st- pass
argente brun 1st- pass
polish lilac 1st- pass
angora giant black 1st- fail, weight
jersey wooly orange 1st- fail, DQ (tail??)
britannia petite opal 1st- pulled
netherland dwarf champagne 1st- pulled
mini satin choc agouti 1st- pass
mini satin broken 1st- pass
 
It is sad about the Blues. But SF are inconsistent as a breed period, so I can't imagine that getting blues to exhibition quality is easy. Meara Collins put a lot of work with blues and chocolates, so it's not about perfecting blue before working on another color (both are sourced from Satins), it's about perfecting the blacks as a cohesive breed before breeding for blue or chocolate.
 
Thanks so much, ohiogoatgirl! :D :D :D I will add new colors in Mini Satin as part of my excitement. I love the fur of Mini Satin--I am a fur person, can you tell? XD Sad about Mini Rex not passing in sable, though. Sable is one of my all-time favorite colors in rabbits.
 
Happy because Lionheads passed.
Sad because Orange Jersey woolys failed. (They are cute)

Thanks for posting Ohiogoatgirl, this is a useful reference!
 
skysthelimit":2v2scavw said:
It is sad about the Blues. But SF are inconsistent as a breed period, so I can't imagine that getting blues to exhibition quality is easy. Meara Collins put a lot of work with blues and chocolates, so it's not about perfecting blue before working on another color (both are sourced from Satins), it's about perfecting the blacks as a cohesive breed before breeding for blue or chocolate.


No the blues silver fox are sourced from blue silver fox. They never went away, they just didn't have enough shown at convention. Their blues and chocs mix up but their blues were made from the original SF blues.


This fail was at least acceptable compared to last year's joke. A rabbit from both varieties failed to have proper stand up fur which is of unique importance to the breed. The blues have one more chance but because chocs got a fail due to non-genetic ticky tack faults last year, we have to wait another four years minimum to show them.


Happy you Lionhead breeders finally somewhat got out of COD hell.

Heritage Homestead":2v2scavw said:
Okay, this looks really official, but I found a picture of a dry erase board on ARBA's Facebook page. :roll: Haven't found anything else yet.

that's the standards committee's board. They use that every year and it's the most official you will get until they put up their news announcements on the ARBA website.
 
I'm sad about the SF blues, I imagine if they were a recognized colour again more people would want to breed them and the fur would be more consistent.
 
dangerbunny":hjoh9s6q said:
I'm sad about the SF blues, I imagine if they were a recognized colour again more people would want to breed them and the fur would be more consistent.


The fur is consistent, but getting 10 rabbits in the barn (4 seniors and eight 6/8/juniors, two of which had to be shown previously) is not always an easy endeavor. People have bad litters, or blown coats on the way to a show. The blues have been around a long time. Getting a former variety re-submitted to the standard shouldn't be such an arduous process compared to a new variety, especially one that had 60 years worth of showing prior to it being discontinued. It's not like blues stopped being bred, they just didn't get enough to show up at the convention for five years.
 
phillinley":1ucqnpe7 said:
skysthelimit":1ucqnpe7 said:
It is sad about the Blues. But SF are inconsistent as a breed period, so I can't imagine that getting blues to exhibition quality is easy. Meara Collins put a lot of work with blues and chocolates, so it's not about perfecting blue before working on another color (both are sourced from Satins), it's about perfecting the blacks as a cohesive breed before breeding for blue or chocolate.


No the blues silver fox are sourced from blue silver fox. They never went away, they just didn't have enough shown at convention. Their blues and chocs mix up but their blues were made from the original SF blues.

:yeahthat:

And, I'm not sure what you mean by "SF are inconsistent as a breed period". I don't think that is true at all.
 
Frecs":tw5idxug said:
And, I'm not sure what you mean by "SF are inconsistent as a breed period". I don't think that is true at all.
I cannot imagine the ones throwing REW, steel and sable can have the proper coat or are producing offspring that are conformationally mirror images of each other.

I was considering Silver Fox instead of AmChins but after hearing the problems people are having with them (and with non-show traits like fertility, milk production and growth) on this forum I'm glad I didn't go that route. I have enough issues with my show line of AmChins.
 
Dood":1y4189x2 said:
Frecs":1y4189x2 said:
And, I'm not sure what you mean by "SF are inconsistent as a breed period". I don't think that is true at all.
I cannot imagine the ones throwing REW, steel and sable can have the proper coat or are producing offspring that are conformationally mirror images of each other.

I was considering Silver Fox instead of AmChins but after hearing the problems people are having with them (and with non-show traits like fertility, milk production and growth) on this forum I'm glad I didn't go that route. I have enough issues with my show line of AmChins.


People on the SF FB page will readily admit that the silvering is not consistent across litters, that's just the way it is in the breed, not an easy thing to control, but there are also obvious problems with fur length and texture.

Fur that is not stand up comes from somewhere other than the SF breed, so even though there was already blue in the gene pool, that gene pool was severely diminished, there are plenty of other things that are in it, sourced from somewhere, as evident in what Dood said, REWs, Torts, Sables, Blue eyes, obvious large white blazes that look distinctly vienna marked. The genetics are damaged, very few people have true, heritage SF. And then no one really knows what the actual crosses were to create those. No one left a recipe for SF, people had to do what they thought was best.

The blues were at some point crossed back and forth with the chocolates, people have gotten lilacs from Meara, more than likely some of those blues she's using have Satin origins.

To get a variety passed is a hard thing, they have to be more perfect than what people actually put on the table for the current variety. If they held to the standard that they hold the presentations to at every show, quite a few of the SF put on the table would not place. They expect perfection.
 
Showing my ignorance of breeding: isn't the challenges seen in breeding SFs to SOP also experienced with other breeds? I mean, to get "perfection" isn't easy or everyone would do it, right? And, much of the "discoveries" of "hidden genes" in the SF that has everyone in such a brewhaha is as a result of much line-breeding. If all that line-breeding had not been done, those genes would still be hidden and everyone would be happily breeding SFs for the fur and silvering and size. Now, they are all in a tizzy about these genes popping up... I'm not convinced those genes haven't been there for a VERY long time--perhaps even evidence of some of what went into the stew to create SFs in the first place.

Anyway, it's all way too much to-do about recessives for me...I just want a good meat herd with lovely pelts and maybe I'm finding myself a good bit over the whole "purebred" thing...
 
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