How to keep the red

[RabbitsOfTheCreek]

you are right, I totally mixed up non-extension and wideband--I have gotten rusty, no pun intended, lol. Should have said "that carries non-extension, (Ee)".

As for ermines vs frosties, I thought they were the same thing--this is what happens when someone only understands the genetics and not the show names for things. I am clueless about the names of the colors even if I understand how they get made. I should just speak exclusively in punnett squares!

I love doing punnet squares

 

[Alaska Satin]

--I have gotten rusty, no pun intended, lol.

As for ermines vs frosties, I thought they were the same thing--this is what happens when someone only understands the genetics and not the show names for things. I am clueless about the names of the colors even if I understand how they get made.

Yes, they can be the same; as far as I know there is no "ermine" accepted in any ARBA-recognized breed, although the angora breeders are working on it. But "frosties" are accepted in several breeds, as well as being the only color in the newly-accepted Czech Frosty breed:

Photo credit Contact – Czech Frosty

I find it interesting that those breeds all classify frosty as a wideband color, but they want ticking, which in the Czech Frosty is called a "haze" or a "veil." So obviously <w> won't necessarily eliminate ticking, but it's been my experience that the ermines I get in the Satins are a lot closer to pure white when they carry that <w>. That's useful to know since pure white rabbits that don't have red eyes are pretty popular among pet owners.