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Goodness, you really need to wait. Obviously no one knows yet. By 14 days we should be able to tell. Maybe they are chinchillas, it would make sense, but all the chin kits I've had are never black like that. Including black chinchillas.
 
I blew up the pictures as much as I could. You definitely have chestnut and broken chestnut, two of them have a light look to their heads which MIGHT be chinchilla OR could be brassiness that some young chestnuts have in them. Time will tell for sure! :)
 
7 days old
 

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They still look like chins to me, other than the one chestnut. Can't be steels with those white bellies, can't be otters with those white ears, too much silvering on head/back to be martins.
My chins usually start out so dark (up to week or so old) that I can't always tell them from the coppers; in fact my current chin buck, very correctly colored, I thought was a copper until he was almost two weeks old! As the fur gets longer, the colors become more apparent. Although, interestingly, my Satins don't develop defined rings until a few months old, starting on their flanks. This is true for my mini rex as well.
The one kit that's so interesting to me is that broken which looks like a chin on its head but is *SO* black on its back. But it can't (well, theoretically anyway) be both self and chin...so I'm sticking with chin. :)
BTW, I'm loving the time series photography - what a great reference! I think I'll do the same with my upcoming litters. :)
 
I have several chinchilla thoughts. First of all, have you looked closely at the eyes on the black parent? Chinchilla + non-agouti self color = self chin. A self chin looks like a regular full color self, because chinchilla doesn't have any effect on self black. There's no fawn involved to get turned into pearl white. So, the black could carry chin. Self chins can have the normal brown eye, but they can also have gray, blue-gray, or marbled brown & blue, a great clue when you get it, although it makes sure you can't show the black as a full-color black, because the eye color won't be correct.

Also, full-color agouti is dominant over chin, so the agouti could have one full-color allele, and one chin hiding behind it that it could pass along. So, either of them could be carrying chin.

Secondly, my black chin kits are indeed born black. By the third day the white inside the ear really stands out, showing that it is an agouti-based color. The silvering really comes in a week or so later. The bottom photo shows one week old chinchilla kits, the one with the white inner ears is a black chin, the other is a black self chin (two chin parents, can't be a full-color self black.) The top photo shows how similar young chestnuts can look, since they also have the agouti white belly and white inner ears. Of course, once the hair starts growing, the difference will be obvious. But as newborns, you just can't tell.

The middle photo is the same black chin kit from the bottom photo, but as a three week old. (I put him and his chocolate chinchilla sister in a bowl to corral them for the photo.) You can see the silvering is definitely developing. Chinchillas that are born paler gray, not black, are going to be squirrel, blue chinchilla. The chocolate chin in the middle photo was born chocolate, and is silvering up, she'll be much lighter when she's grown. (Lilac chins are born paler pinkish-brown.)
angora probably chestnut agouti kits out of bella 1 week old 22 apr 22.JPGangora left choc chin right black chin silvermist x spartacus 3 wks old 4 may 22.JPGangora black self chin black chin out of silvermist 1 week old 22 apr 22.JPG
 
I have several chinchilla thoughts. First of all, have you looked closely at the eyes on the black parent? Chinchilla + non-agouti self color = self chin. A self chin looks like a regular full color self, because chinchilla doesn't have any effect on self black. There's no fawn involved to get turned into pearl white. So, the black could carry chin. Self chins can have the normal brown eye, but they can also have gray, blue-gray, or marbled brown & blue, a great clue when you get it, although it makes sure you can't show the black as a full-color black, because the eye color won't be correct.
The blue eyes might be because she’s (black parent) Vienna.
 
Day 9
one of the kits is not looking good it can‘t drink milk and it’s probably going to pass today:(.
 

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Have you tried leaving the kits/mother out for about an hour and feeding just that one? Or getting the mom out and feeding it on her?
 
see they look so similar
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ten days old
 

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Unless there's also dutch <du> in the background, it's likely vienna-marked or vienna-carrying broken chinchilla. Theoretically, since broken, vienna and dutch are all on different genes, it could be all three. It could also be simply broken with no nose marking (which does happen without the vienna gene).
 

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