What color would you call this?

[ek.blair]

So I have been trying to figure out what this would be called. I know that this doe is pointed, or Himalayan, but I want to know what you would call the colored portion. A little about her... Her Dam was a californian/NZ mix and her Sire was a black Silver Fox. She has been crossed with a Fawn colored supposedly NZ and produced a litter of half Chestnut Agouti and half Gold Tipped Steel. She has developed more "silvering" with age and it's hard to tell from the picture but the points are a dark chocolate colored. I will also add pictures of when she was younger to show the changes.

 

[akane]

A messed up himi. :lol: Most often markings like that happen when the rabbit has nonextension genes. I'm not sure if steel would have the same effect. Mine had even more restricted points. His feet barely had any color.

 

[ek.blair]

A messed up himi. :lol: .

:rotfl:
Yea... I was afraid of that :?

 

[Dood]

Genetically that is an agouti based rabbit - probably a chestnut, maybe a gold tipped steel - instead of a self.

 

[akane]

I wondered about that but I wasn't sure where the agouti would come from. I suppose the cali x NZ could have had it unnoticed. If the color hasn't been restricted so it's not on the tail you can tell an agouti or tan gene himi by the bottom of the tail being obviously white and the top colored.

 

[ek.blair]

I will have to double check tonight, but I do believe that there is color on the top and white on the underside of the tail, so she would be agouti based? <br /><br /> __________ Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:59 am __________ <br /><br /> Ok... so here is another question then... since I bred her to my Fawn buck (also Agouti based) I got an even 4 chestnut and 4 GTS out of them... how come I didn't get all chestnut?

 

[akane]

Someone is actually a steel. It is possible to have a self black that is actually steel but it's more likely it came from the NZ and both the dam and this himi are steels. It's not uncommon for NZW to be hiding steel.

 

[Zass]

A fawn can't hide steel. (genetically impossible) In order to get a visual fawn you need two copies of a gene that is recessive to steel (non-extension.) One copy of steel would produce a rabbit that looked like a GTS and not a fawn.

Steel could have come from the cali, the NZ or the SF. They are all known to have it, even when they shouldn't!!
The agouti genes required to express the color probably did come from the NZ.

 

[ek.blair]

ok, thanks!

And I think it was Dood who told me earlier that if I kept one of the Chestnut does and bred back to the fawn, I could possibly get more fawn color?

 

[Zass]

ok, thanks!

And I think it was Dood who told me earlier that if I kept one of the Chestnut does and bred back to the fawn, I could possibly get more fawn color?

Yep! Dood's right like usual