What are the colors?

[Susie570]

Markings are sometimes much easier to see as kits than adults

 

[Joanie]

I have also again made photos from the father. Unfortunately, with the phone, so the quality is not very good. But I think you can see the most important thing. Pleace take a look at his markings, they are looking out more like black japanese harlequin or black tort?

 

[Dood]

I don't see any evidence of the Japanese harlequin gene in these pictures

 

[Joanie]

@ Dood

Well I just wanted to make sure again, i had previously written that i do not see any marks of a japanese harlequin to the Father.

Thank you.

I think the baby is a normal black tort and the marks on the baby might come from the silvering.

 

[twr]

I don't see any evidence of the Japanese harlequin gene in these pictures

I agree with this but I'd like to add that this doesn't completely rule out the possibility he is harlequin. The marks could be there but we've missed them, or they could be hidden under white areas, and I beleive that sometimes a rabbit with the harlequin gene may not show the characteristic markings at all. If the stripe stays on kit 3 through a complete moult (and especially if it is on one side but not on the other) then I think it has to be a torted harlequin, in which case the father presumably is too.

Also, the father's litter was very interesting, with the white ears and the spotting on the rump. The second from left is a nice example of harlequin and white spotting interacting.

 

[Joanie]

@ twr

Yes, I also agree with it. I will look after once again and see how the other side of the kit looks or still look once at the other kits on it. I am not sure, but it could be that in the darker stripe, that looks like from a japanese harlequin some red hair with exist and this stripe, therefore, more darkly there looks than the rest. Then it would be no a tort japanese it would come from the silvering in the fur. What do you think?

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@ Dood
@ twr

So, now i have looked over again and have taken new photos. Maybe one can recognise it here well. The places in the fur which look like to a japanese harlequin have dark hairs and are a little sometimes with some red hairs passed through. The other areas are prevailing with white hairs of the silvering in the fur. Moreover, i see that with both kits darker places are behind the front paw and the hind paw. This is unusual that with both kits them put of the japanese harlequin are in the same one burst. But i also see, that the dark stripe of the kit 3 of right side is very darker to the other dark places of both kits. But yesterday the photo of the right side from kit 3 is taken up and all together a little dark as the new photos from today, this can be deceptive.

 

[Susie570]

That looks harlequin to me, but don't take my word as gospel.

 

[Dood]

I only see tort markings

 

[Joanie]

@ Dood

Thank you very much, i also think that the kits are black tort and the shadings of the silvering come.
I still have another baby from another litter with the same father (Rex vienna marked black tort), however, of another mother (vienna marked blue japanese harlequin). His colour is also to be recognised very difficultly. Maybe you can also give me here a tip. Color is only on the right ear and on the base of the left ear. Possible colours are vienna marked blue sallander, vienna marked blue japanese harlequin and vienna marked blue tort. I think the kit is vienna marked blue sallander with very high white portion.

 

[Dood]

This rabbit looks like a frosty - A_ __ cchd_ __ ee (or - A_ __ cchl_ __ ee) as the ear pattern looks agouti based

 

[Joanie]

@ Dood

Oh yes, thank you very much for your idea, because i have not thought at all. The mother is vienna marked blue japanese harlequin with agouti. Her genetic code is A?B?Ccddeje. It is possible that the kit is blue sallander with agouti (blue frosted?) or black sallander with agouti. Because it is the same father like from the other litter, it can be only sallander black based or blue based with agouti not sable point or blue point with agouti, since the mother is Cc and the father Ccchd (in the other litter with the same father was a blue sallander).

Is there in US the same name for chinchilla with agouti and salbe point with agouti? Or are the colours called with you thus:

frosted = chinchilla with agouti black based = in germany black kemp (in the german language schwarzgrannen) A?B?cchd?D?ee
blue frosted = chinchilla blue based with agouti = in germany blue kemp (in the german language blaugrannen) A?B?cchd?ddee
chocolate frosted = chinchilla chocolate based with agouti = in germany chocolate kemp (in the german language havannagrannen) A?bbcchd?D?ee
lilac frosted = chinchilla lilac based with agouti = in germany lilac kemp (in the german language fehgrannen) A?bbcchd?ddee
frosted point = sable point with agouti (black based) = in germany sable point agouti (in the german language gelb siam wild) A?B?cchl?D?ee
blue frosted point = blue point with agouti = in germany blue point agouti (in the german language blau siam wild) A?B?cchl?ddee
chocolate frosted point = chocolate point with agouti = in germany chocolate point agouti (in the german language havanna siam wild) A?bbcchl?D?ee
lilac frosted point = lilac point with agouti = in germany lilac point agouti (in the german language feh siam wild) A?bbcchl?ddee