UPDATE in last post: Kit Looks Like a Toad

[TF3]

:lol: :x
Seriously.
Something feels so off about this kit.

It is the doe's first litter~ lost two, this one was born strong and active.
His mother tried to sit on him (maybe that is like dropping the baby on its head in rabbit terms?!) but now he just visits her (for longer periods as he is now 9 days old).
She is still haystaching the silly git.

But this kit... it is ALWAYS lying on its back.
And like a flipped toad, it struggles to turn over (it *can* do it).
Yes, it is probably overfed by its doting mother, so its belly is always very rotund.
But even when on its belly, it is odd... just like a toad... spraddled back legs, belly on the ground.
It can move, but not like my standard sized babies do (quickly and deftly by this age!)~ it *did* move super quickly for the first few days before its toad-form emerged.
My daughter said I should stop calling it Toad and call it Pancake...

I am just riding things out with it (mom is re-bred)~ it eats and grows but doesn't seem to have the *spark* of other kits its age.
Does this sound odd to you, or just a very chubby singleton?! Normal dwarf development?

 

[BlueHaven]

only thing I can think of is to take him into the house in a nursing cage with carpet on the floor. Let him get some good footing under him, like a splay legged puppy.
With traction it may help his muscle tone pretty quickly. I would put water on each end of the cage, if he is even drinking much now.
Take him out to the doe twice a day at first, and maybe only once a day if he really looks to fat.
Since most babys only nurse on their backs at first, maybe he just likes to be ready.

 

[Susie570]

I had a chuckle at the thought of the fat little kit laying there waiting for its next meal. :lol:
Like a lazy, spoiled child.
Maybe you need to post some pictures?

 

[TF3]

I will get my daughter to take him out for walking lessons tomorrow.
Good idea !

He is really ugly.
I can't quite capture the toadiness but think of the way one sits in your hand and you've got it! :lol:


This should be filed under the 'well fed kit' pictures.
I am going to keep him away from mama more, again!
They are like Augustus Gloop and his mom!
Yesterday:

Today, he was with mom for most of the day...


I give you Toady Pancake Jabba Augustus Gloop
(Do you think it will fit on his pedigree?!)

 

[EnglishSpot]

I don't know if there is anything wrong with the kit, but the way you describe him and give him a horrible hilarious name along with the fat belly-up pictures is just classic. I can see this turning into a children's book!! LOL

 

[Miss M]

Definitely an enthusiastic nurser! :roll:

The kits that I had that were overfed to organ failure:
1. Were formula-fed.
2. Developed the toad shape complete with flat belly.
3. Lost muscle tone, beginning to wobble like newborns again.
4. Had smeary, yellow poop.
5. Had toothpicks for legs.
6. Had thinning fur, especially on legs. Also, fur was not healthy.

Your kit:
1. Is nursed.
2. Is toad-shaped, except it has a round belly.
3. ?
4. ?
5. Legs look normal, but perhaps inadequate for his bulk.
6. Has normal fur that is healthy.

I'm going to guess that he's okay, but maybe needs to be separated a good part of the day, so he can't just nurse as much as his mother will let him. Singletons with generous mothers can end up with weight problems later on. :?

The two overfed formula bunnies we had... once other members advised me on what was happening, I held them back from feeding. One died before he could miss a meal. The other missed two feedings before I let him eat again, and then I limited his formula. He regained normal shape and tone, and was sent to freezer camp with the rest of the litter.

 

[Susie570]

That third picture cracked me up.

I think it's cute. I hope it gets straightened out with its nursing reduction diet. Shame you don't have other kits to add to the nest!

 

[TF3]

So it is a thing. Eek.
Add yellow poop to the list.

I have put him on a base with lots of traction and left him for the day to get around. He hasn't been fed yet and looks marginally less toady in the front half. We'll see how he does!

 

[BlueHaven]

He does look super wide in the ribs and short backed. It will be interesting to watch him develop. Hopefully he will come out of it.
I think your doing all the right things.

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

is he a single or is there other kits living from the litter? I would definitely guess with a single living from a litter that it could be at risk of danger level overfeeding. especially if mom is really attentive and checks the nest a lot, ergo giving it more times to eat and with no one to compete with or share with.

smallest I had was a lionhead that littered I think 5 or 6 and had some losses and a DOA and ended up with 3 quite fat kits. I remember the biggest kit could have easily been confused as a 3 day older adoptee to the other 2 kits!

I would definitely watch him though. if the doe keeps only having singles and this issue I would then guess its a genetic or something issue. like bad shape gone more extreme. if he outgrows it and you keep him I would definitely be watching his litters to see if anything comes up.

 

[MaggieJ]

He's a singleton.

Raising lonely onlies to be healthy can be a challenge.

For our newer members, here is our experience with one, back in 2011.
meet-our-youngest-lonely-only-pudge-t2637.html?hilit=pudge

 

[TF3]

Yes, a singleton.
I have repeated the breeding to see what happens... I'd like another look at what they can produce before moving them on (although I am hoping my daughter will let the lops go altogether LOL) <br /><br /> -- Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:27 pm -- <br /><br /> I need to know what became of Pudge?

My 7 lb meat mutt doe had two in July that hit 1 lb at three weeks and over 2 at 4 weeks, super healthy.

My NZWxSatin doe has one lonely only and she is being such a good mom, letting him snuggle (he mostly sits in her back) and his weight is very normal.

 

[MaggieJ]

Pudge grew up and became out herd sire, replacing his over-zealous father, Jasper. He really should have been renamed when he matured, because by then he was no longer a pudge at all. Big boy, but all meat no fat.

 

[Susie570]

Pudge grew up and became out herd sire, replacing his over-zealous father, Jasper. He really should have been renamed when he matured, because by then he was no longer a pudge at all. Big boy, but all meat no fat.

An updated picture is required

 

[MaggieJ]

I've been looking for an adult picture of Pudge, but so far no luck. My photos are very disorganized.

 

[Miss M]

I've been looking for an adult picture of Pudge, but so far no luck. My photos are very disorganized.

I thought I remembered seeing an adult picture, so I went looking. Found this thread: post179345.html#p179345

...which linked to this pic on MidnightCoder's photography site:

The next picture also seems to be Pudge:

I'm guessing the baby bunnies in the next picture are probably his, so here's the link if anybody wants to explore MC's photography: http://n3.cc/domestic-animals/1_IGP7943

 

[MaggieJ]

Thanks for finding those pictures, Miss M! I never even thought to check MidnightCoder's photography site, but since he takes nearly all our pictures, it was the logical place to check.

Yes, those pictures are definitely Pudge. His sire was pure NZR and he inherited the colouring - and passed it along to a lot of his offspring.

 

[Susie570]

I've been looking for an adult picture of Pudge, but so far no luck. My photos are very disorganized.

Is he no longer with you? :/

 

[TF3]

So I've cut this guy back to two very brief visits to mom and I make sure he nurses. His shape is not improving.
He is 13 days old and look at his back legs... A friend pointed it out today, I was used to them... When you put him down they stay that way. He'll paddle them but they don't tuck under him.
At this age my other kits are all popping out of the nest.


Should I just call it a day?
Mom is rebred and a little thin from the first 10 days of this guy.

 

[Zinnia]

Sorry to say, but I would cull this one if it were mine. The back legs have always looked wrong and I think that'll be a problem.