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ollitos

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We're butchering today. First two rabbits were fine. Then... this...


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As big as my hand and very dense
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Bad gallbladder color
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It weighed 5 oz.

What is this? Is the rabbit meat itself okay?

The next one we butchered had the same problem but not as pronounced.

__________ Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:33 pm __________

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<br /><br />__________ Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:35 pm __________<br /><br />Also, so far, this entire litter has had cloudy looking urine in their bladders. It looks like the color of yellow pus but it's urine.
 
Urine colour is nothing to worry about, it's every colour under the sun. As far as the livers go, for me, those carcasses would be dog food just to be on the safe side.
 
I agree with coccidia, farm birds get this too. Something that's always in the ground and birds will easily spread it as well, wild or captive. Breed stronger immune systems with chickens to prevent it in the chicken world.
 
Well, we moved every pasture pen to a fresh pasture. The pen for that litter will be sprayed with bleach water tomorrow and left in the sun for a few days. More than half of the herd was already in the new area so I'm not worried about them. I am concerned about the growout pens, two of my best does and two of my bucks.

Is there any way to test them? We'll be watching for symptoms such as diarrhea.

Man was it shocking to see that liver! It was the worst one by far although every rabbit after that one did have at least a few spots on their livers.

The other thing that was odd... I mentioned the cloudy urine. Not only was it the color of yellow pus, it had the texture of melted butter. Very, very strange.
 
http://buzzybunnies.weebly.com/rabbit-i ... ments.html


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Coccidiosis-

Coccidiosis (often shorted to Cocci, pronounced Cock- See) in rabbits is caused by a single celled organism called Protozoa.
There are nine types of Cocci that can affect rabbits and 8 of them affect the intestines, 1 affects the liver.
Chickens, Cats, and Dogs as well as other animals can also be affected by Cocci, but it is a different species.
Young rabbits are often hit the hardest by this, while older ones usually have some immunity.

Causes-
Often seen in dirty hutches and cages, the rabbits get Cocci from ingesting the eggs of the parasite from licking their feet, eating off the cage floor, even eating contaminated greens or hay from another source.
Adult rabbits can also be symptom free carriers of Cocci, shedding the eggs in their feces. The eggs can survive for over a year and thrive in warm and humid conditions.

Symptoms-
Sudden loss of weight.
Diarhhea, sometimes with blood.
Pot Belly look.
Sitting hunched in cage with feet forward.
Litless, ill, or "off" attitude.
Some mild cases and carriers show no symptoms.

Treatment-
"Corid powder or a liquid solution available at feeds stores -- Sulfamethoxide (or some similar sulfa drug normally labeled for cocci in chickens) and put it in the water bottle for 7 days, then stop for 7 days and then do it again for 7 more days. The procedure needs to be done every 6 months. And cannot be administered to pregnant does. But lactating does are fine. This antibiotic is also used for a rabbit that may get upper respiratory (common cold) for 2-3 weeks straight. "
From: http://www.freewebs.com/tandthollands/newbunnycare.htm

Also-
http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/GI_disease … eneral.PDF

AND SOME QUOTES ON IT

i treat for cocci several times a year.i use corrid.the amount is 1 teaspoon per gallon of water for 5 days.then no medicine for 5 days then treat 5 more days.As far as i know this doesnt get rid of the cocci only keeps it under control.its very stubborn and effects mostly younger rabbits.older rabbits may carry it without symptoms.im positive i brought it home in an adult rabbit that was symptom free but a carrier.

Routine use of apple cider vinegar in the rabbits' drinking water is common. I use 1 - 2 Tablespoons per 4 litres (about a gallon) of water. It won't harm the rabbits and may help with a variety of problems. I don't know how much help it is against coccidiosis. There is some evidence that feeding willow bark may fight coccidiosis. Rabbits love it and it a regular item in my buns' diet. I consider both ACV and willow in the "well, it can't hurt" category.<br /><br />__________ Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:32 pm __________<br /><br />Corid (amprolium) and/or Sulmet are used for chickens to treat Cocci, not sure if both can be used on rabbits nor how much.
Both are available at TSC or a local farm store.
 
ollitos":2zwwm0rf said:
The pen for that litter will be sprayed with bleach water tomorrow and left in the sun for a few days. More than half of the herd was already in the new area so I'm not worried about them. I am concerned about the growout pens, two of my best does and two of my bucks.
Bleach won't kill coccidia, only ammonia will.
 
Ugh. Everywhere I read said to use bleach. Heck, I'll use both and some vinegar too. Take that, stoopid germs!!
 
ColdBrook":xb1qd7ge said:
Just don't mix the bleach and ammonia! That makes a very poisonous gas!

Absolutely! Phosgene gas is very bad, it can kill you. I would do the ammonia first, rinse well, wait a few days, then do the bleach. Coccidia produces oocysts, which come out in the poop and it takes 24-48 hours for it to hatch and become infective. Bleach won't kill the oocyts, but ammonia will.
 
How do the nasty bugs do with very cold weather? Its been as low as 15 degrees a couple of time this morning and was just think about if the cold temps would kill the bugs? Just a thought.. :)
 
ColdBrook":xib0lkjj said:
Just don't mix the bleach and ammonia! That makes a very poisonous gas!

Yeh, my mum almost killed both of us once that way trying to get tea mugs really REALLY clean.
 

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