Orange that is not really an orange?

[Cedar Point Rabbitry]

I have a young doe out of a tri / broken black tort. Siblings are broken orange, tris', charlie tri.

This girl is slightly darker ears and a bit of a darker tail. I tried getting a picture, but it doesn't show up in a picture. The darker bits are barely see-able, unless you know it's there.

Why is that?

 

[Dood]

Chocolate tort?

Steel gene effect?

Any agouti markings? ie white belly, eye rings, under tail?

 

[Cedar Point Rabbitry]

Forgot to add that she's a broken. Will go take a look again at her later. <br /><br /> __________ Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:59 pm __________ <br /><br /> Belly is white, underside of tail is white.

She's got a very, very slightly lighter orange ring around her eyes. Barely noticeable. On her nose is a little snip of white.

 

[Dood]

Belly is white, underside of tail is white.

She is agouti or maybe tan/otter based and could just be a very smutty fawn/orange

 

[Cedar Point Rabbitry]

Thanks! Anyway to find out what exactly she is? (breeding wise?)

 

[Dood]

Picture?

 

[Cedar Point Rabbitry]

Here are two recent ones.

 

[ladysown]

broken orange with smut..the smut will darken with age.

 

[Dood]

:yeahthat:

Here is a very smutty fawn I produced, it is not desirable on the showable but since lion lops are not a recognized breed ....yet, it's not a problem :cheesysmile:

 

[Cedar Point Rabbitry]

Okay. What causes the smutting? Since I've never really had oranges, I'm not too 'up' on those genetics

 

[Dood]

umbrous factors and/or unknown modifiers

 

[Cedar Point Rabbitry]

Anyway to find those out? Like would Tort do it?

 

[Dood]

No,

factors are not simple dominant or recessive genes - if the rabbit looks sooty then she's got the smut factors and if bred to another smutty rabbit the kits will be most likely be smutty

If bred to a "bright" orange then all, some or none will look smutty - there is no way to know

 

[ladysown]

getting rid of smut requires a chocolate rabbit I was told. I know that my chocolate based tris don't get smut but my others do... but that's due to having the tort in the background.

AT least that's what I've always been told.

 

[alforddm]

Chocolate is not required to produce a clear orange. What it does do is fade out the soot so that the rabbit appears cleaner then it is genetically.