new holland lop kits strange colors...

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I have my first litter of holland lop kits and the colors are not what I predicted. Dam is a broken blue and sire is a smutty fawn.

So at first it looked like I had a broken orange and a broken black but when I looked today I saw more colors than I had originally. (We also had one broken fawn/orange? peanut and one broken black? stretched)

The broken black has orange/tan patches so does this make him a tri?

The broken orange has greyish and fawn patches so that makes him ???

__________ Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:17 pm __________

9.jpeg grey on the nose in the butterfly

7.jpeg grey on the tail

6.jpeg orange/fawn on the thigh
 

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I raise Rex, so maybe the Hollands colors show up a little differently.
All my tri Rex have a very small amount of black and the other color, usually red, or fawn is much more noticeable. I have not seen one that has so much black but I can't think what else it could be so it must be a tri.

Oh yes, it just occurred to me that both parents are dilute, so the kits should be too. Interesting!
 
caroline":3020576y said:
I raise Rex, so maybe the Hollands colors show up a little differently.
All my tri Rex have a very small amount of black and the other color, usually red, or fawn is much more noticeable. I have not seen one that has so much black but I can't think what else it could be so it must be a tri.

Oh yes, it just occurred to me that both parents are dilute, so the kits should be too. Interesting!

Honestly I thought it was dirt to begin with because the kit clearly looks like a broken black.
 
I don't know much about colors but those babies are just the cutest things! Seeing pics keeps me working towards our own, because it reminds me of how much I want that again! Take care and keep posting so we can watch them grow!
 
macksmom98":2fgrk48m said:
I don't know much about colors but those babies are just the cutest things! Seeing pics keeps me working towards our own, because it reminds me of how much I want that again! Take care and keep posting so we can watch them grow!

They are developing differently than the Netherlands so it's been very exciting to finally have Hollands :)
 
Honestly I thought it was dirt to begin with because the kit clearly looks like a broken black.[/quote said:
But you can't get black from blue x fawn

you should only be able to get blue, lilac, fawn, opal, lilac agouti [lynx], & tort
but when you ad the "ej" gene, which appears to be in there,you get something interesting it appears :)
 
I think the smutty fawn parent must be a black based non-extension instead of a dilute non-extension.

In lops that color would usually be called orange (with smut) , but lots of colors are mislabeled on pedigree, and in some other breeds the same genotype is called fawn. Plenty of margin for such a small error.

That would explain the black based kits, since the ej harli gene can still express in the standard black, chocolate, blue, and lilac shades.
 
In most breeds "fawn" is black based and "cream" is a blue/dilute fawn

The broken orange kit is definitely agouti and non extension and a "broken fawn" the darker areas are smut

The broken black may be a broken black otter instead (and if so then your fawn carries the tan gene) it could be a VERY dark tri but I highly doubt it as I've never seen a tri with so much black
 
Thank you Dood. I assumed the orange was smutty until someone thought I was wrong.

The black surprised me a lot with the addition of the tans. Any way to know for certain if it's an otter?
 
My input, they are a broken fawn with soot, and a broken black otter. My Holland buck, Batman, is a broken black otter, and he has the ottering on his neck, right about where your little guy does. I'm by no means an expert, but my last litter, I did have two kits that were solid fawn, and their ears were sooty, and looked just about the same. Good luck, and let us know how they progress. :D :) ;) :bunnyhop: <br /><br /> __________ Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:49 am __________ <br /><br /> Figured I might as well post a picture of the fawn coloring as well. These guys have since moved onto their new homes. They were about 12 weeks old here.
 

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