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Hey all, I'm new here, been lurking for a while, decided I ought to make an account.
So here's a brief, wait, lengthy, introduction. I'm raising rabbits for meat (hence the meat section post), we are raising them primarily for our family (3 soon to be 4) possibly other family and friends, and our dog (130lb) I have some connections to some RAW feeders who said they would buy all I could produce as well. Anyhow we opted for cage style set up since I do have a market and I read a lot about colonies and decided I think our climate here is too wet and they are a tad too unstructured for me to use productively (and I wonder about how scared rabbit that has been chased tastes compared to a rabbit thats calm and doesn't know what's coming). Anyhow I have some great friends that farm. They colony raise Rex rabbits. They were beyond gracious and gave us a doe and buck for free to get started and make sure we are serious. The rabbits have had,naturally, a bumpy transition to cage life. Any how we didn't think she was bred as she kindled 38 days after arriving here and we didn't attempt to breed her after she arrived. She didn't have a nest box because frankly I felt her after 31 days here with no kits, and she didn't feel pregnant. In fact we put her with the buck 24 hours before she kindled ( he sniffed her and gave her loads of room, guess that was a sign). I was fortunate enough to walk out as she was kindling. Given its been about 30-40 some odd degrees lately I immediately ran inside got a box loaded it with hay and her hair and loaded 9 warm wiggly kits in it. I went out that night to check on them and found 1 dead, on the cage floor, missing the back half of its body. Well all 8 remaining were alive last night but we did have a temp drop. I went out this am About the 48 hour mark and found a nest full of dead, cold kits. They seemed a bit shriveled as if she didn't feed them (compared to when they were born, but I'm new, maybe they are always that wrinkly?) anyhow, I'm bummed, naturally, not sure if she opted to to feed them or if they may have frozen, or if she refused the cause I handled them. I did bring them in and try to warm them up (which they never really did) to make sure they were dead and not just really cold. I guess the big question is based off what I've told you, lengthy as it is, what your takes are. Also do you think it's possible for her to adapt and raise kits in her new caged life or do you think it's too much of a shock?
On a side note once we get more cages built I plan on bringing in another trio, I just haven't decided on breed (torn between commercial producers, heritage or flordia white).

Anyhow thanks in advance!
 
She may have put off kindling due to the stress of the move.

She may have not taken care of the kits for the same reason. I'd re breed her right away.
 
Second the breed right away.

Had she had kits in the colony setting?

I have moved rabbits back and fourth from colony to cage to colony and back again and not had a problem but, right now I have an experienced doe that I just put into a cage with a nest cage built in and it has so put her off that I am really worried about.

Rabbits are as individual as any other critter.

Give her another chance or two and see how she settles in for you.
 
Thanks everyone. I'll put her in with him again tomorrow then! I'll also make sure she has her nest box so she can make it herself this time.

Edit to add: as to if she's ever has the inner colony,not sure. They have a lot of rabbits in there. They had just culled 30 a few weeks before giving her to us. They did tell me they have lost litters due to the colony, not enough nesting sites, etc, but they are taking a much more hands off approach they are just raising them for themselves. We didn't see many "mature bucks" 3 maybe? But I did see about 8 other mature does.
 
Hi H&R!

:welcomewagon:

I'm glad you finally came out of :hiding: and decided to join us despite the sad circumstances.

Rabbits are very adjustable critters after the initial stress of the move. I'm sure she will adapt just fine to cage living.

I raise Rex too, and lost my first litter (also a bred doe) on the wire, and at that point I had no idea they could be saved if they were chilled. :(

I'm sure she will do better next time, and would also rebreed her immediately.

I hope all goes smoothly next time! :good-luck:

And :congratulations: on your impending people-popple! :p
 
H&R rabbits":6qar9jzb said:
Thanks mama! Ok. I think we'll def get her rebred and try again!

Well, rule #1 I've always followed is don't touch the kits unless the rabbit is comfortable with you handling her babies or she might eat them.

She smells your smell on them and she will abandon them. Now, after they get fur that's different, but when they are newborn doe's, especially new ones, don't like their babies messed with.

In all of the years I've had rabbits, I don't mess with the kits when they are first born for exactly that reason. Each doe is different. Some aren't picky and some are.

If you ever have occasion to pick up the kits again, rub your hand all through the doe's fur to get her scent on your hand before handling them.

Others have suggest putting a dab of vanilla on the doe's nose and then rubbing some on your hands so that she can't smell the difference. I don't know if that works or not.
 
None of my 30 does minds my picking up their new borns. The day after they arrive I take out each one, check it over, put it into my daughters out held shirt and get the next one.

By checking the fresh ones I can take out any dead kits or bits of squishy stuff that would cause problems.

I forgot to say :hi: H&R!
 
I always handle my kits from birth, and I've never EVER had a rabbit eat a kit. My smell, (and my dogs and cats smell to since it's always on me) is on their water bottles, food crocks, treats, all over their cages and sometimes on their own bodies since I have to handle the adult rabbits as well. My smell is a regular and non-threatening part of their world.


Don't leave them on wire! They will just freeze. If your doe is the kind of rabbit who tramples and destroys kits just because you handled them, well, get a different doe!
 
concreteblonde":6tmuguxf said:
H&R rabbits":6tmuguxf said:
Thanks mama! Ok. I think we'll def get her rebred and try again!

Well, rule #1 I've always followed is don't touch the kits unless the rabbit is comfortable with you handling her babies or she might eat them.

She smells your smell on them and she will abandon them. Now, after they get fur that's different, but when they are newborn doe's, especially new ones, don't like their babies messed with.

In all of the years I've had rabbits, I don't mess with the kits when they are first born for exactly that reason. Each doe is different. Some aren't picky and some are.

If you ever have occasion to pick up the kits again, rub your hand all through the doe's fur to get her scent on your hand before handling them.

Others have suggest putting a dab of vanilla on the doe's nose and then rubbing some on your hands so that she can't smell the difference. I don't know if that works or not.

I know everyone's experiences are different, but generally, this is not the case. Does don't care if you handle the kits. Generally, they abandon the nests for some other reason. Unless, you have some odor on your hands that smells like predator (dog, cat, etc) that is the only reason I can think of. I handle my kits from day 1 and everyday after that and have never had a doe refuse to care for her kits because of it. In fact, it is important to check the nest right away to remove any dead kits, leftover placentas, blood, etc, as leaving these in for days can cause issues.
 
I also handle my kits from the first day- often times seconds after the doe finishes kindling.

Not only is it important to remove wet bedding and other "leftovers" from the birth as OAF mentioned, I have also sometimes had to clean up kits from first time does who left them all bloody. These are taken into the house and rinsed with warm water to remove the blood and fur that adheres to them, placed in a warm towel to dry, and then brought back out to the doe.

For the first week, I check the nest at least once once daily. During hot weather I check nests twice daily since dead kits begin to decompose very quickly and can "spoil" the nest.
 
Well I would have thought she was used to my smell already. I mess with (pet) fresh water and feed her everyday. I guess the only option is to try again, should she abandon then again then we'll move from there. Im trying to decide on another breed and waiting on my husband to get a day off so he can make me some more cages, so I'll have new does soon. I guess this is why all you experienced folks (and bob Bennett) recommend starting with good stock for the purpose we intend (not that she's not good stock, we just no nothing about her other than breed). :)
 

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