Yeah, mama's right on the points. Butterflies are for brokens and even then it's not supposed to be a preferential thing to the judge. He's a black himi though, the points are faded from the heat - as well as he's from a shaded program which is what I'll be using him for too. Father was an awesome Siamese sable - not sure on the mom - think he might have sold her already. Either way, the buck is amazing type-wise. I also have blacks to work with as well and can darken up the points of the babies that way if I so choose.