need help with some genetics

[daniiwicked]

so I had a thought come to me the other day and i have no idea if it is possible, but i wanted to breed mini rex and make my own line and variety if possible. what I want to do is
have a Himi or sable point rabbit but not with the standard white on the body so instead of the white be another color like brown or something is that possible?
I've attached an image.. don't judge me for my "paint skills" AHHA!!

 

[RabbitsOfTheCreek]

It looks like a dilute tort

 

[daniiwicked]

It looks like a dilute tort

kinda but I want the body to be a solid color and the feet, ears, and nose to be black

 

[judymac]

Sounds like the only option to do that is to breed for black tortoiseshell, and select the offspring that are closest to your ideal, with the darkest faces and the most even coat color. After enough generations, you should have what you want.

 

[Alaska Satin]

Yes, black torts look like light brown/orange rabbits with black points:


Siamese sables also look like brown rabbits with black points:

(These are all photos I lifted from the internet, I can't get to any of my own photos right now.)

Torts and siamese sables can vary widely in their body and point color. Like judymac said, you could get one of these colors and breed toward refining their points.
Note, both tort and siamese sable look shaded, but their shaded appearance comes from very different genetic sources. The gene for sable (a truly shaded color) is tricky and interacts with lots of other genes. Tort, on the other hand, is simply a non-extension self; both those genes are recessive so they are *much* easier to set and work with! You can find both genes in mini rex fairly easily (depending on what part of the country you are looking).

 

[RabbitsOfTheCreek]

I have two Siamese sable ND right now

 

[reh]

if you dont want to breed torts with very few side markings maybe you should look into cavia ;-)
They hav an mutation like the himalaya, but on top of full colored animals rather then on white ones.
https://www.zwarteneusjes.nl/california-cavia-s

 

[daniiwicked]

if you dont want to breed torts with very few side markings maybe you should look into cavia ;-)
They hav an mutation like the himalaya, but on top of full colored animals rather then on white ones.
https://www.zwarteneusjes.nl/california-cavia-s

I've had cavies before <3 I love them! I do plan to add them back in the future!

 

[daniiwicked]

I have two Siamese sable ND right nowView attachment 30992View attachment 30993

oh my heart!

 

[daniiwicked]

Yes, black torts look like light brown/orange rabbits with black points:
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Siamese sables also look like brown rabbits with black points:
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(These are all photos I lifted from the internet, I can't get to any of my own photos right now.)

Torts and siamese sables can vary widely in their body and point color. Like judymac said, you could get one of these colors and breed toward refining their points.
Note, both tort and siamese sable look shaded, but their shaded appearance comes from very different genetic sources. The gene for sable (a truly shaded color) is tricky and interacts with lots of other genes. Tort, on the other hand, is simply a non-extension self; both those genes are recessive so they are *much* easier to set and work with! You can find both genes in mini rex fairly easily (depending on what part of the country you are looking).

the top one is the brown that I'm looking for! thank you to everyone who has helped me <3