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Bad Habit

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Dobby's dropped a fair bit of weight in the last week or so. When I clipped his nails, I thought "oh, he's a little light, better increase his rations." When I had him out yesterday, he had turned into skin and bones! It's not that he's not eating/drinking, and his appetite hasn't seemed to diminish at all - he's eating about the same. He doesn't have a heavy work load - Hasn't been bred since the beginning of Dec. Food hasn't changed and he gets grains to supplement his pellets and hay.

His poops seem fine, no evidence of wool block, they are the same size they've always been. Consistency is fine, not runny or anything. No evidence of cecals being left behind, no snot or goopy eyes.

Teeth seem fine. His front teeth seem a little longer than everyone else's, but not overgrown, or causing him pain. He has some toys to toss around and keep his mind going. Not hyper or overly active when he's out - same level of activity. Sleeping well, doesn't seem to be in pain.

The only thing I can think of is him being next to Hannah, who kindled on Monday. He has been trying to get at her to breed her, but mostly just sits and stares at the wall anymore. He was digging trying to get to her, and tried to jump over the divider a few times. When she's out to play, he paces the front of his cage watching her, but I'm not sure that the activity would be enough to make him go from being a little skinny to omg he's so skinny! in just 2 days.

Anyone got any suggestions or ideas? I've upped his grain rations, put him on unlimited pellets, and started giving him all the hay shake from the bottom of the bin.
 
I'd move him to another room, if possible. Some bucks turn into sex maniacs when a doe kindles. It seems the only factor that is different. Probably a good idea to pop him into quarantine anyway, just to keep the others safe. I do hope nothing is seriously wrong and wish I could make some useful suggestions. Dropping weight like that is not good. Is he drinking plenty? He could be dehydrated as well. I'd double check his water bottle if that's what you use for him.
 
I use crocks, and he's drinking the same, if not more than normal.

I'll find somewhere for him to go on his own. I really hope it's just being next to Hannah. I don't know how fast a rabbit drops weight, but I know when I had him out mid-week last week, he wasn't that bad at all, just a "make a note, give him a bit extra for a few days" situation. When I had him out last night, I was freaking out over how skinny he'd gotten. I'm not as hands on with him as I should be(just open his cage to let him roam at will when it's his floor time), so I don't know exactly when it got to this state. I just feel awful.
 
Can it be worms? If he's eating and still loosing weight, poop looks ok etc.
 
Might be... but what do I use to deworm a VM rabbit? I know I can't use ivermectin, something to do with the blood-brain barrier.
 
I don't know how quickly they work or if it is just preventative, but dried pumpkin seeds are supposed to work for worming rabbits.
 
Maybe you should weigh him... so you can more easily track his progress. Worms seem unlikely in an indoor rabbit, but do watch for signs of them in his poop. Too bad that he won't eat pumpkin seeds. They are very nutritious as well as being helpful for fighting worms.
 
go to your vet and get some panacur. That'll help with worms.

drinking more. losing weight.
How old is he?

Diabetes could be a possibility?? (as was suggested to me when I had an older rabbit doing the same)
 
I should and shall weigh him. Haveta find my book, and see what he was at when I last weighed him. I think it was 3lbs, 6oz.

I'll try him on pumpkin seeds as well, and hopefully someone can pipe in with the best way to chemically deworm him without giving him brain damage or killing him. I'll have to look into the panacur, I was very firmly told to be very careful about chemicals with him because of his markings/genetics.

He's just over a year old, so not that old at all. They also don't get much in the way of fruits or sweet things, plus he is PICKY and will not eat half of the fruit I do offer them.

My first thought was actually cancer, since those were the symptoms my mum's dog displayed before she had her diagnosis. But the increase in drinking could be because he recently helped himself to some tums, which would increase calcium, which would increase drinking.

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If I was remembering correctly, then he's not actually lost weight. Just threw him on the scale, he's 3lbs, 7oz. Gotta find that book now, to find out what he weighed last.
 
We can get panacure at the feed store here. Just give a pea size dab to him of horse panacure. If you can't get it there maybe someone could mail you a tube.
 
I've used Ivermectin [Ivomec Cattle pour-on] without any issues. What is the blood/brain thing?
 
ChickiesnBunnies":zkjvo1zy said:
What is the blood/brain thing?

MDR1 was first found in certain dog breeds, especially Collie types. Rabbit breeders have found that some rabbits exhibit similar problems with certain drugs. Basically, the drugs cross the blood-brain barrier and cannot be transported back out. If the levels build up far enough they can cause neurological symptoms and/or death.

You can read more about MDR1 here:

http://www.ashgi.org/articles/mdr1.htm
 
ChickiesnBunnies":5r09pk5d said:
What is the blood/brain thing?
It is a genetic thing. I had read that Dutch rabbits often died from Ivermectin treatment, but if I understand her correctly, BH seems to be saying that it is a Vienna marked thing, and that Ivermectin treatment is very risky for Vienna marked rabbits.<br /><br />__________ Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:23 pm __________<br /><br />MSD beat me again! :chair: :lol:

I thought I remembered something about Collies.
 
MamaSheepdog":1i4anzd5 said:
Ow! Oww! *runs for cover and hides under Hub's desk*
:lol:

Bad Habit":1i4anzd5 said:
I was told it is risky for VM rabbits as well. I was told that on here, in fact.
Ah, I missed that, then! The Dutch and the Collies I'd heard about. But Dutch is VM, right?
 
it is... vienna marked, charlies (including hotots), dutch, many mini rex, etc. need to be careful with ivermectin. that's why I tend to recommend panacur.
 
ladysown":2k1vsb4i said:
it is... vienna marked, charlies (including hotots), dutch, many mini rex, etc. need to be careful with ivermectin. that's why I tend to recommend panacur.
Wow, I didn't realize is went so far!
 
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