So I culled all my colony rabbits with pasteurella about a month ago. The colony area was scrubbed down with a bleach and water solution twice, though there are a few hard to reach areas that I couldn't really get, or get well. I am hoping to get a trio tomorrow, and would like to try colony raising again, but I don't know if the area is safe. Could pasteurella survive that long in a cold garage with no rabbits in there at all? Also, I want to go over it once more with the diluted bleach just in case, but would it be safe to do so in the morning and put rabbits in, in the afternoon? I don't know what to do, but I don't want to give up this chance to get what look to be truly excellent stock.
How long does pasteurella survive in an area?
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Happy
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Bacteria can survive freezing. They will thaw. The pertinent question is how strong the bleach solution was. What was your mix ratio?
I don't know about if the strain will still be there after your cleaning but I do know that there have been times I've sprayed the cages with diluted bleach solution and put the rabbits back in their immediately with no bad results.
grumpy
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How did you identify pasteurella as the disease? just curious.
Well, it was above freezing some days, below on others. I think the warmest was a few days of 50F weather, and the coldest was 10F for a little while. I'm going to go over it once more and hope that does the trick. I'm just pretty paranoid about pasteurella now.
As far as identifying it, I did a necropsy on three out of the four rabbits. They all had damaged lunga that fit with pneumonia and upper respiratory infections, which I was told are usually the result of pasteurella. That, and how quickly it spread to all four of them, made pasteurella the most likely culprit.
As far as identifying it, I did a necropsy on three out of the four rabbits. They all had damaged lunga that fit with pneumonia and upper respiratory infections, which I was told are usually the result of pasteurella. That, and how quickly it spread to all four of them, made pasteurella the most likely culprit.
MamaSheepdog
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DarayTala":1fbj36jt said:
Good question, and one I did not know the answer to. I have good news for you, and for every one of us! :bouncy:
The dreaded Pasteurella organism survives for less than 24 hours outside of a host.
Due to its fragility in the environment, stringent environmental decontamination is not necessary. Regular cleaning and the use of a high-level disinfectant should suffice to rid the environment of P. multicoda.
http://www.criver.com/SiteCollectionDoc ... tocida.pdf
Go get your new bunnies!!!
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MamaSheepdog":vm7vlk9l said:DarayTala":vm7vlk9l said:
Good question, and one I did not know the answer to. I have good news for you, and for every one of us! :bouncy:
The dreaded Pasteurella organism survives for less than 24 hours outside of a host.
Due to its fragility in the environment, stringent environmental decontamination is not necessary. Regular cleaning and the use of a high-level disinfectant should suffice to rid the environment of P. multicoda.
http://www.criver.com/SiteCollectionDoc ... tocida.pdf
Go get your new bunnies!!!
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Very nice! Thank you MSD
MamaSheepdog
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mystang89":1zth74a6 said:
MamaMandy":1zth74a6 said:
Nice??? Good???
How about spectacular, stupendous, glorious, amazing, the best thing since sliced bread?!?!
I'd be dancing in the streets if I didn't have two left feet!
I think we should all be thanking DarayTala for asking the question in the first place! :bow:
Yay! This is the best news I've had all day! I'm so excited!!!! Not only do I get new bunnies, but I don't have to be in constant fear of the dreaded P popping back up out of nowhere around things my other bunnies touched. I'll be sure to get pictures of the new ones frolicking around the colony when they get settled! :bunnyhop: :bunnyhop: :bunnyhop:
starshotbandit
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I have another question. How do they get it? I have one that has a little snot but just at the edges of her nose, nuthing on her paws, and nuthing below her nose. she seems to be a little off her feed, but other than that she is fine. normal poop an all.I have had her for 4 months. the house that I am staying at has never had rabbits and I am pretty sure that no one ealse in the neiborhood has rabbits.I have let her run around the yard (its verry small) 4 times. that has been the only change. Could it be an allergie? We have what my father calls costal burmuda and some "water grass"(foxtail grass) that just sprouted. there are 2 pine trees and a pepper tree back there as well. she is such a sweet rabbit that I would hate to have to cull her. She was a theropy pet for a child befor I got her and I promised the mother I wouldent do that. I give all my rabbits terromyisn every week. She is the only one that doesent like it. any Ideas would be helpful. Thanks
Happy
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Rhinitis and conjunctivitis (snotty nose and pink eye) are the most common listed symptoms. Keep an eye out for anal and urinary inflammation.<br /><br />__________ Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:44 pm __________<br /><br />Long=term antibiotic use can generate immunity in the infection. Weekly use of the same antibiotic indefinitely is a BAD thing, antibiotics should only be used to treat an active, known, BACTERIAL infection. P. Multicoda is bacterial, yes, but not every snotty nose is P. Multicoda. Just watch, nad stop using preemptive antibiotics, for the love of cheeses.
starshotbandit
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Thanks. the weekly treatment was some advice that I was given as a preventive mesuer and to help mantane health in the herd. Would you recomend giving it to does befor and after delivery? Also befor and after transport? We have been having pretty damp weather and kinda a mild rolercoaster of temps. Could that be causing part of her problem? This is her first winter outside, they are under cover of course with curtans around to block part of the wind, it does hold some heat but not much. No one ealse seems to be having a problem. I have 5 other seniors, 2 junirs and 16 kits the oldest kits are 6 weeks. Would it hirt to bring her in,or give her a shot of pennicillen? Am I just stressing to much? I know I have soooo many questions. This is my second time with rabbits and I really want to do it right. The first time it was with free hutches and rabbits I found running around under a bush(yah, someone just let them go). This time around I have invested over $700, and have ran into problem left and right(small but worriesom).
OneAcreFarm
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There is no reason that rabbits need preventative antibiotics...it may actually be more harmful to keep doing it. Either she will adapt or she won't. Getting some probiotics will help her good intestinal bacteria after all those antibiotics.
Antibiotics can kill through diarrhea from killing the necessary bacteria in the gut. It also makes strains of bacteria immune to the antibiotic every time you use it. They should only be used when required. If your rabbits have to be dosed up all the time no one is going to want to buy rabbits from you and you'll be spreading sick rabbits around instead of healthy ones like you think because they'll have weak immune systems.
Even careful use of antibiotcs when it's needed causes resistent bacteria.. just take a moment to imagine the problems with preventive use..
We already have multiresistent bacteria around, just a few types.. but if you get them the doctors can't cure you! Using antibiotics causes more of these bacteria. It's very harmful for all living beings to use this medecie so carelessly, in the long run.
We already have multiresistent bacteria around, just a few types.. but if you get them the doctors can't cure you! Using antibiotics causes more of these bacteria. It's very harmful for all living beings to use this medecie so carelessly, in the long run.
Diamond
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Good thread.
I have decided to cull my white buck with the chronic inflamed/ runny eyes. I had concerns about using his 'hole' for other rabbits. I feel better now.
Pasteurella is often 'hanging around' in the healthy rabbit's natural flora. There seem to be certain virulent strains which cause the dreaded snuffles, which affects every rabbit it touches, while the normal strains coexist within the healthy rabbit and only cause problems to those who are susceptible. I have had 2 rabbits with runny, inflamed eye - a white NZ buck and a white NZ doe. The doe responded to bicillin injections, the buck has not. In this case, I believe that the buck has teeth root problems that are likely contributing to the eye problems, but in most cases like this, pasteurella bacteria are still the common culprit. No other rabbits have been symptomatic. I will be culling the buck in the next couple days and doing a necropsy to investigate a little further.
I have decided to cull my white buck with the chronic inflamed/ runny eyes. I had concerns about using his 'hole' for other rabbits. I feel better now.
Pasteurella is often 'hanging around' in the healthy rabbit's natural flora. There seem to be certain virulent strains which cause the dreaded snuffles, which affects every rabbit it touches, while the normal strains coexist within the healthy rabbit and only cause problems to those who are susceptible. I have had 2 rabbits with runny, inflamed eye - a white NZ buck and a white NZ doe. The doe responded to bicillin injections, the buck has not. In this case, I believe that the buck has teeth root problems that are likely contributing to the eye problems, but in most cases like this, pasteurella bacteria are still the common culprit. No other rabbits have been symptomatic. I will be culling the buck in the next couple days and doing a necropsy to investigate a little further.
