Hi Nibbles, thanks for asking, my husband is starting out with NZ whites as breeders for meat rabbits, and I'm getting (as pets) a couple of Holland Lops. We are building an outdoor colony area, 20ft x 10ft covered and fenced enclosure for the New Zealands, and I'll have a 4ftx7ft pen inside the house for my lops. We are very excited about having these rabbits, and there is a lot for us to learn!