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Posting because rabbit photos are fun and I think this tiny guy is a little marvel. The only "educational" moment here is that technically, it's called a "long hair" gene not an angora gene. He's pure netherland dwarf, all the way back, as far as I know. Some nethies carry the long-haired gene, even with no angora rabbits in their background. They can't be shown as netherland dwarfs, but man oh man, they are cute!

I'm marveling at the quality of his fur. He's 556 grams / 20 ounces and 11 weeks old. Yes, the fur mats a little. But it's not terrible, and he's very patient about being brushed. He seems to be molting a little all the time, but as a handspinner, this is great news -- it spins easily and well. :)

If all goes to plan, he will be a key actor in my "mini-angora" project to develop more pet-sized rabbits with quality spinning fiber.

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It *is* an Angora gene - there's only one long hair gene in rabbits, so it's the same gene whether Angora, Fuzzy Lop, or Jersey Woolly. The difference is in the way they have been selected for various coat features such as length, density, undercoat and guard hairs. (The Lionhead mane gene is separate and only affects certain parts of the coat).
 
Posting because rabbit photos are fun and I think this tiny guy is a little marvel. The only "educational" moment here is that technically, it's a "long hair" gene not an angora gene. He's pure netherland dwarf, all the way back, as far as I know. Some nethies carry the long-haired gene, even with no angora rabbits in their background. They can't be shown as netherland dwarfs, but man oh man, they are cute!

I'm marveling at the quality of his fur. He's 556 grams / 20 ounces and 11 weeks old. Yes, the fur mats a little. But it's not terrible, and he's very patient about being brushed. He seems to be molting a little all the time, but as a handspinner, this is great news -- it spins easily and well. :)

If all goes to plan, he will be a key actor in my "mini-angora" project to develop more pet-sized rabbits with quality spinning fiber.

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Super, super cute!!!

Like @MsTemeraire says, there's only one known allele for long hair/wool, which is <l> while the allele for normal length is <L> (other than the maned gene which is different and doesn't really make a woolly rabbit). Purebred Holland Lops, and somewhat less commonly, purebred Netherland Dwarfs, pop out "fuzzies" from time to time because sometime in the mists of history an angora was crossed into them, usually to improve fur length and density - both HLs and NDs are expected to have remarkably thick fur, even more-so than most rabbits with a rollback coat. The recessive <l> can lurk undetected for a very long time, until two rabbits carrying it get together.
 
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Oh yes! I know it's the same gene. I just meant that it's called the long-haired gene, and written with an L. (It's not really called the angora gene, though a lot of people use that term.) And yes, I know it's not the same as what causes the lionhead mane. :)

I did not know that there really was angora (the breed) intentionally included in the lineage for those other breeds. Good to learn something new!
 
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You could potentially show it is a Jersey wooly, as long as the color and weights line up. I had a friend who bred Holland Lops and got a fuzzy and was able to show it as a AFL as that is essentially what it was.
 
Yep, and I might! (I also raise Jersey Woolies.) His color is a classic chestnut. Someone told me the minimum weight on senior Jersey Woolies was 2.5 pounds, but I don't see that in any ARBA guidelines.

I do see that three pounds is ideal, and he's unlikely to get that big. But even if he wouldn't win, there's the chance of getting good feedback from judges on his best traits (as a JW) and ideas about the characteristics a good mate would have (among Jersey Woolies) to result in kits that are close to the SOP.

Even though I'm not really raising for show, I think breed standards are super useful. I also love watching show judges judge. It's always cool to watch people who are really skilled do what they do well.
 
Yep, and I might! (I also raise Jersey Woolies.) His color is a classic chestnut. Someone told me the minimum weight on senior Jersey Woolies was 2.5 pounds, but I don't see that in any ARBA guidelines.

I do see that three pounds is ideal, and he's unlikely to get that big. But even if he wouldn't win, there's the chance of getting good feedback from judges on his best traits (as a JW) and ideas about the characteristics a good mate would have (among Jersey Woolies) to result in kits that are close to the SOP.

Even though I'm not really raising for show, I think breed standards are super useful. I also love watching show judges judge. It's always cool to watch people who are really skilled do what they do well.
The ARBA SOP for the Jersey Wooly specifies "not over 3-1/2 pounds" for senior bucks and does, with an ideal weight of 3 pounds.

Showing a fuzzy ND as a Jersey Wooly can be unsatisfying for both judge and exhibitor; you might find that many judges may call you out if you show a fuzzy ND as a Jersey Wooly - they've seen it before. ;) There is a subtle but significant difference in the type and pose of each breed. On a Jersey Wooly, the high head mount also calls for the head to be set "close to the shoulders," and the body is to rise slightly from the shoulder. This is different from the ND where the topline should start immediately after the head, with no dip at the shoulder. A ND will naturally pose with its head high, while a typey HW will not be posed with its head quite so high (which can obliterate the characteristic dip at the shoulder of a good JW). The body length is also subtly different; the ND should be quite short, while the JW wants just a bit more length.

The ears call for a slight difference, as well. JWs often carry their ears in a "V" when they relax, while NDs should carry their ears fully erect (I have found that an ear set that appears to be a "V" in a ND is usually faulted). NDs have an ideal ear length of 2" and are DQd for an ear length of over 2-1/2," while JW ears are ideally 2-1/2" long, with no maximum.

While you surely could use him with your JWs, you might find yourself with a lot of offspring that do not fit the standard of either breed very well. (I do a lot of crossbreeding myself to improve the breeds I raise, so I am definitely not totally against the practice. But you do need to be cautious about bringing in unwanted features, or losing certain important breed characteristics.)

There is certainly overlap, but a Jersey Wooly isn't just a fuzzy ND, at least not according to the standard. The same is true for Holland Lops vs Am Fuzzy Lops; they have similar differences in weights, pose, head mount (AFLs are considered a medium head mount breed) and shoulders. The ARBA Standards Committee tries pretty hard not to recognize a new breed that is just an already-recognized breed with a simple coat or color difference.
 
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Good counsel! Yes, I caught the max weight. And I know (from the grapevine) that there's a proposal to designate a minimum weight for Jersey Woolies, maybe to prevent people from showing (and occasionally winning) with fuzzy NDs. ;) I agree with all that you wrote, but I know of people who have won showing a fuzzy ND as a JW.

Still, in general, I'm all for sticking with a purebred line when you're breeding for show. I'm really not trying to suggest "getting away" with something.

Meanwhile, my fictional stardards are like "french angora but smaller and more compact." Not sure that would get approved. But it's ok, they're still great bunnies. :)
 
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Good counsel! Yes, I caught the max weight. And I know (from the grapevine) that there's a proposal to designate a minimum weight for Jersey Woolies, maybe to prevent people from showing (and occasionally winning) with fuzzy NDs. ;) I agree with all that you wrote, but I know of people who have won showing a fuzzy ND as a JW.

Still, in general, I'm all for sticking with a purebred line when you're breeding for show. I'm really not trying to suggest "getting away" with something.
Yes, I've also had my crossbreeds win big (in classes of Satins, Californians, American Sables and Champagnes), but it's because they've been closer to the standard than the purebreds. It just suggests that the purebreds need work, on some feature or other!

I don't think it's "getting away" with anything. Rabbits are shown by phenotype, not papers or genotype. As one judge I know puts it, "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, we'll call it a duck!" And really, all breeds started out not being purebred... they were all developed by crossing some rabbit with another rabbit.

If my crossbreeds improve the type, fur or color (or temperament!) of the originals, IMO everyone wins, eventually. I just make sure to be very transparent about the pedigrees.

Meanwhile, my projects are solidly in the camp that ARBA would not recognize. My fictional stardards are like "french angora but smaller and more compact." No way would that get approved, nor should it. But it's ok, they're still great bunnies. :)
I'm not sure that wouldn't be a breed someone might really consider for ARBA recognition: a Mini French Angora. There are Mini Satins, Mini Rex and now Mini Californians (awaiting final approval). They're all excellent options for people who like the breeds but want something smaller (including many city dwellers), and they're quite distinct from the originals. You'd just have to make sure yours wasn't a repeat of the Jersey Wooly, but that probably wouldn't be too hard since French Angoras have a very different body type and different wool than JWs (at least according to the SOP).

Unfortunately, it takes quite a bit of money, red tape and cooperation to start and complete the process to get a new breed recognized. But as you say, you can get a lot of value and enjoyment out of great bunnies with no particular pedigree or published standard!
 
Yes, I've also had my crossbreeds win big (in classes of Satins, Californians, American Sables and Champagnes), but it's because they've been closer to the standard than the purebreds. It just suggests that the purebreds need work, on some feature or other!
If you have time/interest, I'd love to learn about an example of how you think about introducing another breed to improve a main breed.

For Jersey Woolies (a breed I love), I have a wonderful buck who is great in almost every way. But he's big for his breed and has long ears. No DQs, just "on the big side / long side." So in the grand scheme of things, that's where a well-typed fuzzy ND could contribute. And for my herd and fiber interests, just the buck and his beautiful fur is a welcome addition.
I don't think it's "getting away" with anything. Rabbits are shown by phenotype, not papers or genotype. As one judge I know puts it, "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, we'll call it a duck!" And really, all breeds started out not being purebred... they were all developed by crossing some rabbit with another rabbit.

If my crossbreeds improve the type, fur or color (or temperament!) of the originals, IMO everyone wins, eventually. I just make sure to be very transparent about the pedigrees.
Ok, I rescind my comment recommending sticking with purebreds then. Actually, don't take my advice on anything but spinning until I've won some bests of breed etc. ;) Not saying that will never happen, but I'm still learning.

There is a difference between introducing a new breed to improve or center the next gen on the SOP and mixing breeds to produce something new. I'm up for both. The little guy this post is about (I named him Valentijn) could be useful for both.

I know some people would never consider that latter, but in meat-breed realm, it's common. I think if you have a clear goal and do your research and stay honest and realistic, go for it. But see previous comment about not taking my advice!

Absolutely agree on transparency in the pedigree!

I'm not sure that wouldn't be a breed someone might really consider for ARBA recognition: a Mini French Angora. There are Mini Satins, Mini Rex and now Mini Californians (awaiting final approval). They're all excellent options for people who like the breeds but want something smaller (including many city dwellers), and they're quite distinct from the originals. You'd just have to make sure yours wasn't a repeat of the Jersey Wooly, but that probably wouldn't be too hard since French Angoras have a very different body type and different wool than JWs (at least according to the SOP).
This may be your most dangerous reply yet, because I really love a challenge. And I have a track record of taking on big challenges and seeing them through. 😁

It is indeed observing how terrific the mini-satins and mini-rexes (and Jersey Woolies) are and knowing that there IS an urban and suburban fiber-artist market that led to my mini-angora project. Pretty sure it's not just me that wants a fiber pet, small but not too small, and bred for excellent spinning fiber.

That last is the functional distinction between my mini-angora goal and Jersey Woolies. Some Jersey Woolies happen to have great fiber for spinning and yes, the standard calls for length and density. But I believe that many JWs are being steered toward "low maintenance" coats. That's cool, and exactly what some people want. But not me. :)

Distinct from Jersey Woolies is easy: the brachycephalic rabbit head shape must be recessive. I believe the short ears are too. So out of the gate (F1) the kits of a purebred French Angora and a purebred Jersey Wooly look like a French Angora. I'd also go a bit bigger than Jersey Wooly.

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This is my draft breed description. It's pulled together from the descriptions of the constituent breeds, just like the rabbits are.

Mini-French Angora
This small breed is known for its wool qualities, and is docile and friendly. The wool is dense, strong, free falling, and evenly balanced over the entire body. The guard hairs are coarse and stand above the heavily crimped underwool. The ideal wool length is at least 3 inches.
It has an oval head set close to the body. The eyes are bold and bright. The ears are straight, set high on the head, and carried erect with or without tufts of wool.
The body has a compact type profile, with a full chest and round shoulder. Legs are
medium boned and well covered with good quality wool. The tail is straight and well
covered with wool. Wool color is rich and consistent.
Mature weight: Bucks and Does 4-5.5 pounds.


Unfortunately, it takes quite a bit of money, red tape and cooperation to start and complete the process to get a new breed recognized. But as you say, you can get a lot of value and enjoyment out of great bunnies with no particular pedigree or published standard!
I mean, I was looking for a 10-year project... ;)
 
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If you have time/interest, I'd love to learn about an example of how you think about introducing another breed to improve a main breed.
When I'm crossbreeding, I only use rabbits that have something my purebreds need that I can't get due to the relatively; for instance, I used a Californian doe to improve the flesh condition, growth rates and muscle tone of my Satins. It worked 😁 but it took four generations afterwards to get back to "purebred" Satins. (I like to register my brood stock, and have purebred rabbits to offer other breeders.)

I also - in general - avoid crossing to breeds that have recessives that could pop up later (like a satinized coat, in my Champagnes). I did actually recently do this cross (Champagne x Satin) because it was the best option I could find to improve health, temperament and depth over the loin in the Satins. I also used a Satin with one of Champagne does. I am prepared to eventually see unshowable satinized Champagnes and deal with them appropriately (they are meat rabbits, after all). I am getting good results with a Champagne x New Zealand cross, though, and will not have to cull satinized coats later. And, because Champagnes are a silvered self black, I used a NZRed, so litters will eventually have blacks (Champagnes if silvered, NZBlacks if not), as well as chestnuts (which can be shown as Argente St Huberts if they're silvered), oranges (which can be shown as Creme D'Argents or NZReds if not), and torts (unshowable in either breed, but still a nice meat rabbit).

For Jersey Woolies (a breed I love), I have a wonderful buck who is great in almost every way. But he's big for his breed and has long ears. No DQs, just "on the big side / long side." So in the grand scheme of things, that's where a well-typed fuzzy ND could contribute. And for my herd and fiber interests, just the buck and his beautiful fur is a welcome addition.
It sounds like your buck may be a false dwarf. If a false dwarf buck is a good example of the breed (other than the size, of course) he can be quite useful in a breeding program, if he's bred with a true dwarf doe, . Most folks like a false dwarf doe x true dwarf buck for other reasons, but I'd certainly try the buck. If you breed him to a true dwarf JW doe, the dwarf allele that some of the bunnies should get from the dam will probably solve the size problem. If you are especially interested in the fiber, and he has it, I'd certainly find a place for him.

You could use him with the fuzzy ND, but if you're trying to preserve the wool quality and/or other uniquely JW characteristics,, that might not be so helpful. I've found that rabbits with recessives that just suddenly pop out are usually lacking in important ways - over the generations, no one has been selecting, for instance, wool quality (this is true for many other modifiers, e.g. agouti ring color, rufus modifers, color intensity, etc.)

If he is not actually a false dwarf (has he ever produced a peanut?), breeding with a carefully selected true dwarf doe could still give you good bunnies.

If it was me, I'd take him to the best true dwarf JW doe I could find (and maybe also the fuzzy ND doe, just to see what comes of it).😁

There is a difference between introducing a new breed to improve or center the next gen on the SOP and mixing breeds to produce something new. I'm up for both. I know some people would never consider that latter, but in meat-breed realm, it's common. I think if you have a clear goal and do your research and stay honest and realistic, go for it. But see previous comment about not taking my advice!
I'm up for both as well. My Argente St Hubert project is the latter. The breed is currently being developed; St Huberts can be shown "Exhibition Only" now, and are awaiting their second pass at an ARBA Convention (hopefully this October). So, I am showing them up here, and hoping to generate some buzz and positive feelings among the visiting judges, especially those that are interested in the breed.

I started with the NZRed x Champagne cross to try to eventually get some Creme D'Argents with improved type, but on the way I got these St Huberts, and decided I liked the St Huberts even better than the Cremes. So, I am woking both to improve a currently recognized breed, as well as help develop a new one.

It is indeed observing how terrific the mini-satins and mini-rexes (and Jersey Woolies) are and knowing that there IS an urban and suburban fiber-artist market that led to my mini-angora project. Pretty sure it's not just me that wants a fiber pet, small but not too small, and bred for excellent spinning fiber.

That last is the functional distinction between my mini-angora goal and Jersey Woolies. Some Jersey Woolies happen to have great fiber for spinning and yes, the standard calls for length and density. But I believe that many JWs are being steered toward "low maintenance" coats. That's cool, and exactly what some people want. But not me. :)
There is a good number of breeders up here that raise rabbits for fiber, including the big angoras and the JWs (no AmFuzzyLops, though). They seem to agree that the JWs have spinnable fiber - some really like it - but that it's not like French (or Satin or English) fiber, and that the JWs are definitely bred for ease-of-maintenance rather than other fiber qualities.

Distinct from Jersey Woolies is easy: the brachycephalic rabbit head shape must be recessive. I believe the short ears are too. So out of the gate (F1) the kits of a purebred French Angora and a purebred Jersey Wooly look like a French Angora. I'd also go a bit bigger than Jersey Wooly.
The round head and very short ears are mostly from the dwarf allele <dw>, which is partially dominant (one copy makes a dwarf, two copies are lethal). There has probably been some selection for modifiers that produce relatively short ears and a shorter head in the rabbits with normal alleles <DwDw>, as well. I had some Rex that had Mini Rex in the far reaches of their past; they were not dwarfs and made Rex weight; they could be shown as Rex, but many of them still had slightly shorter ears relative to the Rex that were not from that line. But as long as you choose the false dwarfs from a French x JW cross, and get rid of the dwarfy rabbits, you should get French-looking and bigger rabbits.

This is my draft breed description. It's pulled together from the descriptions of the constituent breeds, just like the rabbits are.

Mini-French Angora
This small breed is known for its wool qualities, and is docile and friendly. The wool is dense, strong, free falling, and evenly balanced over the entire body. The guard hairs are coarse and stand above the heavily crimped underwool. The ideal wool length is at least 3 inches.
It has an oval head set close to the body. The eyes are bold and bright. The ears are straight, set high on the head, and carried erect with or without tufts of wool.
The body has a compact type profile, with a full chest and round shoulder. Legs are
medium boned and well covered with good quality wool. The tail is straight and well
covered with wool. Wool color is rich and consistent.
Mature weight: Bucks and Does 4-5.5 pounds.
I like it! That's a nice size, and eliminating the dwarf gene will elimnate the unpleasant issue of having peanuts in the litters, which is very unappealing to many.

You might think about contacting someone at the national Angora breed club
https://nationalangorarabbitbreeders.com/

There may be some other angora breeders who like the idea, or even be working on it already, who might be interested in helping. It is often easier/faster to produce improved animals if you've got more breeders involved (adding many more options for brood stock, more cage space than you have in your own barn, and a greater variety of genetic material than one barn could contain).

The NARBC has a page dedicted to CODs (Certificates of Development, which is the first step toward obtaining ARBA recognition for a new breed, or new variety in an existing breed).
https://nationalangorarabbitbreeders.com

You don't have to enlist the support of the national breed club to develop a new breed or pursue a COD, but it can be helpful to be in contact with breeders interested in the same things you are, who can provide valuable insights or even brood stock.

The ARBA publishes a page outlining the COD process here:
https://arba.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/COD_Packet.pdf
 
When I'm crossbreeding, I only use rabbits that have something my purebreds need that I can't get due to the relatively; for instance, I used a Californian doe to improve the flesh condition, growth rates and muscle tone of my Satins. It worked 😁 but it took four generations afterwards to get back to "purebred" Satins. (I like to register my brood stock, and have purebred rabbits to offer other breeders.)

I also - in general - avoid crossing to breeds that have recessives that could pop up later (like a satinized coat, in my Champagnes). I did actually recently do this cross (Champagne x Satin) because it was the best option I could find to improve health, temperament and depth over the loin in the Satins. I also used a Satin with one of Champagne does. I am prepared to eventually see unshowable satinized Champagnes and deal with them appropriately (they are meat rabbits, after all). I am getting good results with a Champagne x New Zealand cross, though, and will not have to cull satinized coats later. And, because Champagnes are a silvered self black, I used a NZRed, so litters will eventually have blacks (Champagnes if silvered, NZBlacks if not), as well as chestnuts (which can be shown as Argente St Huberts if they're silvered), oranges (which can be shown as Creme D'Argents or NZReds if not), and torts (unshowable in either breed, but still a nice meat rabbit).
I love how detailed your plans are and how you're finding a way to produce mostly showable rabbits even among different circumstances. So cool.
It sounds like your buck may be a false dwarf.
Yes, he almost certainly is. It's easy to disprove a dominant gene (like DwDw) and hard to truly prove it, but he's been bred to at least 8 different does (I'm not his first owner), some of which were definitely Dwdw and he has never produced a peanut. That was a positive for me because I think peanuts are sad. I'm willing to deal with them, but would prefer not to. I suspect my JW doe is a true dwarf based on her petite size. But I don't mind if I never prove it. Paired, their kits seem close to the SOP except they've produced mostly unshowable colors so far. 😅 (Easy to find pet homes for chocolate agouti and lynx, though.)

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I'm up for both as well. My Argente St Hubert project is the latter. The breed is currently being developed; St Huberts can be shown "Exhibition Only" now, and are awaiting their second pass at an ARBA Convention (hopefully this October). So, I am showing them up here, and hoping to generate some buzz and positive feelings among the visiting judges, especially those that are interested in the breed.
I looked up the breed and they're so pretty! I bet it will be very satisfying when they get fully approved in the US.
But as long as you choose the false dwarfs from a French x JW cross, and get rid of the dwarfy rabbits, you should get French-looking and bigger rabbits.
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I like it! That's a nice size, and eliminating the dwarf gene will elimnate the unpleasant issue of having peanuts in the litters, which is very unappealing to many.
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You might think about contacting someone at the national Angora breed club
https://nationalangorarabbitbreeders.com/

There may be some other angora breeders who like the idea, or even be working on it already, who might be interested in helping. It is often easier/faster to produce improved animals if you've got more breeders involved (adding many more options for brood stock, more cage space than you have in your own barn, and a greater variety of genetic material than one barn could contain).

The NARBC has a page dedicted to CODs (Certificates of Development, which is the first step toward obtaining ARBA recognition for a new breed, or new variety in an existing breed).
https://nationalangorarabbitbreeders.com

You don't have to enlist the support of the national breed club to develop a new breed or pursue a COD, but it can be helpful to be in contact with breeders interested in the same things you are, who can provide valuable insights or even brood stock.

The ARBA publishes a page outlining the COD process here:
https://arba.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/COD_Packet.pdf
Great suggestion! I am all for collaboration and genetic diversity!
 
I love how detailed your plans are and how you're finding a way to produce mostly showable rabbits even among different circumstances. So cool.

Yes, he almost certainly is. It's easy to disprove a dominant gene (like DwDw) and hard to truly prove it, but he's been bred to at least 8 different does (I'm not his first owner), some of which were definitely Dwdw and he has never produced a peanut. That was a positive for me because I think peanuts are sad. I'm willing to deal with them, but would prefer not to. I suspect my JW doe is a true dwarf based on her petite size. But I don't mind if I never prove it. Paired, their kits seem close to the SOP except they've produced mostly unshowable colors so far. 😅 (Easy to find pet homes for chocolate agouti and lynx, though.)

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I looked up the breed and they're so pretty! I bet it will be very satisfying when they get fully approved in the US.

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Great suggestion! I am all for collaboration and genetic diversity!
Just because I love them and think they are S-O-O-O pretty and assume everyone else will too 😁 here are some photos of my St Huberts:
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Whoa, is that chestnut with silvering? It's stunning.
Yeah, isn't it gorgeous? It's like seeing a rainbow in the fur. :love: They're even more impressive in person. The COD includes chestnuts and opals, but hopefully they will be recognized in chocolate agouti and lynx as well.

Yes, those are silvered chestnuts in the photos above. I used a much-too-heavily-silvered Champagne D'Argent doe with a beautifully-typed NZRed buck, and got this wonderful silvering in the F1s. And they're huge - the buck I kept is 10-1/2lbs and the doe is 11-1/2lbs (actually too heavy for St Huberts, but "too big" is a problem I don't mind so much in meat rabbits!).

Another match, between a chestnut NZ x a correctly -silvered Champagne buck, produced kits with too little silvering. I'm pretty sure I'm dealing with varying modifiers in the original Champagne stock, so I have a plan moving forward to address that. There's a litter in the box right now that includes a black, two oranges and four chestnuts (plus a tort meat bunny). The dam has barely any silvering - more like a few white hairs, as she's from the cross described at the start of this paragraph - but the bunnies should be better. In St Huberts, the actual amount of silvering isn't really so important, rather it's the evenness of the silvering that is key. (But of course they do have to look silvered, which the dam of the current litter does not.)
 
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