I know the problem's solved but just wanted to pitch in my method. I bought a 1 1/2 yr old "virgin" pair from a show breeder. He swore by table breeding. It's the same as RabbitPhotoGirl described only on a table instead of in the bucks cage. I know alot of people have great luck with the bucks cage but I'm hooked on this method. The first time the buck wasn't interested or just didn't know what to do but I tryed again a couple hours later and it's never failed me since. I love how it gives me complete control over everything.