D'oh... Vienna markings?

[jessie15273]

I have been spending a lot of time with my buck lately and it just hit me, the person that I bought the rabbit from has a lot of BEW... could he possibly be a Vienna marked rabbit?

 

[Frosted Rabbits]

yep-- he could be....

 

[jessie15273]

Well i guess I may find out in 30 days! hes bred to 3 different does

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

what makes a rabbit stick out as vienna? just curious.

 

[Wyldrose]

He's a handsome boy! My girls would like to come for a sleep over lol!


I think I have 2 vienna does.

Vienna gives them white almost dutch like markings.

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

Vienna gives them white almost dutch like markings.

hm... thats about all i know about the vienna :lol: but i have dutch and have done some crosses with other breeds.
i was wondering like in certian breeds there are "sport"... so they are supposed to have the dutch like markings.

lol or is dutch just a perfected vienna gene?

 

[Bad Habit]

Dutch is a different gene than vienna.

Vienna often shows up with blue eyes, as well.

That rabbit could go either way, vienna or broken. I think your best bet is waiting and seeing what the does produce.

 

[Disney]

As a vienna breeder, yep he looks vienna marked

 

[skysthelimit]

A lot of vienna marks show up on the head, particularly the nose. A white spot on the body, maybe, on the toes, probably not, but on the face, I would vote for a strong yes.

 

[Prisma]

Heavy booted ones also look like him, so a 50/50. Why not just contact the original breeder and ask? There's a possibility he won't through any sure marked kids even with 3 does.

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

If I had to speculate, I'd say chances are good he's Vienna marked.

 

[JessicaR]

I am going with booted. Its possible hes a VM, but the markings look more booted to me. If you could breed him to a BEW you would know for sure.

 

[skysthelimit]

My booted has no white markings on the face.

 

[Devon's Mom Lauren]

What about his hind legs, are they white also? if so he may be booted, but with the fact the breeder does have bews around then it could be either!! Can you ask the breeder whats up?

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

so vienna marked bred to a blue eye means like all vienna mark and/or blue eyes?

 

[Disney]

so vienna marked bred to a blue eye means like all vienna mark and/or blue eyes?

Not entirely, most vienna marked rabbits have blue eyes or partially but not all of them.
The presence of the gene correlates with the rabbits bodycolor and invisible modifiers.

For example.
Most chestnut and solid blacks vm's keep their original brown eyes, you rarely see them with blue eyes but it does happen.
I like to believe that dominant colors like chestnut, black suppress the vienna gene and try to hold it down, does this make sense?
However if you have a strong line of vienna marked rabbits, they can overthrow the outcrossed dominant genes because they already settled down and build up their position.

The 2 vienna marked parents of my bew threw very funky marked vienna's with 50% to 75% white in them.
The way i like vienna's and want my line to be.
But my bew doe bred with a non-vienna Rew has thrown vienna marked with little markings, some only had a spot on the nose, a small snip or blaze on the head and 1 of the 2 shoulders being white. Probaby because the buck comes out of a black/steel/agouti line without any vienna, supressing the genes of the doe. And none of them had blue eyes, just 1 had a blue snip in one eye and that was it.

Bred the same doe to a black tort vm buck and 4 the vienna marked kits have 50% white, more than her previous litters with the rew buck. This means that the bucks modifiers adds up with hers so the kits get more white and obvious markings.

So if i keep selecting for vienna rabbits with good markings, then i'll probably get to see more of those kits in future litters since the amount of modifiers is crushed together.

Blue eyes show easier on blue based rabbits and more easily on recessive colors like tort, shaded.

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

interesting... i have a vienna marked LH doe (i think choco tort? not sure its a guess i am not good with colors) and a BEW LH buck... so just thinkin what they would throw.

 

[Disney]

Depends what the bew carries and hides, but most bew to vm crosses make kits with fine markings

My bew never threw kits with this much markings until she was bred with the vm tort buck.

I have also had a cross with a bew buck carrying harlequin to a rew doe and most kits didn't even show any white, nothing.
Only this blue kit had a mark on the nose and that was it :evil: , the other 2 are blackbased and show nothing, there was another black without white who died.

Second litter.. 2 solid blue's harlequins and 2 broken blue harlequins and no white vienna markings to be seen. I was very dissapointed. :?
Their sister is not in the picture but she was the same as the broken kit.
I didn't even bred them the second time because i wasn't satisfied with the outcome, the buck pushed the shield that was in front of the garage door and got to the doe who just had kindled there. He hit her up again and there they came.. :x

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

interesting. what are you hoping to get from yours? since you seem to want the white vienna marks i'm curious as most are the exact opposite.

lol i'm hoping for harlis and tris now

 

[Disney]

Well, i'm actually going for a line of vienna marked rabbits that are self and mostly in chocolate an lilac colors but black and blue aswell + satin fur.

First i need to breed the agouti out and get self kits with good markings, breed those with chocolates and add satin rabbits somewhere in the line.

Something like this

Then i have another project going, lutino rabbits.. VERY VERY rare, the most rare mutation in rabbits.
There are only a few hundreds in europe and i have one. She is inbred but that's okay.
She carries chocolate and satin, and is going to be bred to a lilac buck.

I have the kit of the 2 black siblings that are bred to eachother and she looks a lot like her grandma, same type.

There is more on my website if you would like to see it's written in dutch tho.
www.viennakonijnen.weebly.com