another stupid question, lol

[countryhorse]

Wow, we just must have some good lines because we never have any issues with them.
Lucky us

 

[tm_bunnyloft]

I would breed broken to solid, get an average 50% broken and you should have no problem getting your meat pen for your daughter. Good luck with your project and let us know how it goes.

Breed your broken does to your black buck and your broken buck to your black does. I wouldn't use the white NZ for this project. JMO

 

[tracie123]

Why would you not do the broken buck to a white doe?

 

[LindseysWoolies]

You can breed a broken to a white. As long as the rabbit is not carrying broken under the white you won't get charlies from that pairing.

 

[tm_bunnyloft]

I just hear allot of things hiding in REW and I would avoid that is all. I am by far no expert..... :shock:

I would cross the blacks and brokens and hope for lots of broken black bunnies to choose from for my meat pen project. opcorn:

 

[akane]

Even if the first generation is fine throwing rew in to broken lines is generally a bad idea. In the future you might end up with rew that you don't know if they are broken or not and every rew takes away from your useful rabbits if you are trying for a certain pattern or color.

 

[skysthelimit]

Even if the first generation is fine throwing rew in to broken lines is generally a bad idea. In the future you might end up with rew that you don't know if they are broken or not and every rew takes away from your useful rabbits if you are trying for a certain pattern or color.

yes, which is why I usually cull my REWs, I don't like surprises that can waste a breeding. Just fortunate with the one I did keep.

 

[ZRabbits]

Thanks for asking this "stupid" question, lol. I've really enjoyed reading it. Learning from it as well.

I'm really looking forward on seeing what my Tort and Broken will do. Being a newbie, please correct me if I'm wrong, but Tort is also a Broken, right? If so:

Neville, in my eyes, is a Blue Tort. At 6 months, his Blue tort (coloring and pattern) revealed itself. once his Mature Coat came in.

Luna, in my eyes, is a Broken Chocolate. She is missing the butterfly, but now that she's 6 months, their is a faint coloring on her nose. Her pedigree or (family tree) shows lots of broken, so she could not be a Charlie but only lighter Broken?

So here's my stupid question, lol, would I get kits that had Neville and Luna's broken pattern? Torts or Broken?

Karen

 

[MamaSheepdog]

Neville is not a broken. A broken can be a rabbit of any color, with that color randomly "broken" up with white areas.

If Luna's parents are both brokens, she could be a Charlie, but otherwise it is impossible. If Luna is out of two brokens, she could be a Charlie, in which case her entire litter will be brokens, no solids at all.

The broken gene is dominant, so it will always show if a rabbit has it. So even if you bred two solid colored rabbits that had one broken parent each, they will not be able to pass on the broken gene because they don't have it themselves.

 

[ZRabbits]

Neville is not a broken. A broken can be a rabbit of any color, with that color randomly "broken" up with white areas.

If Luna's parents are both brokens, she could be a Charlie, but otherwise it is impossible. If Luna is out of two brokens, she could be a Charlie, in which case her entire litter will be brokens, no solids at all.

The broken gene is dominant, so it will always show if a rabbit has it. So even if you bred two solid colored rabbits that had one broken parent each, they will not be able to pass on the broken gene because they don't have it themselves.

Thanks MamaSheepdog, appreciate the info. Kind of confusing myself with all these terms.

Neville would be in the Shaded catagory then? Checked out the term for shaded on the internet again.

Neville's Dad was a Lilac Tort, and his Mom was a Sable Point, both shaded.

Luna's parents are not both broken so she's definitely not a Charlie.
Dad was Broken Chocolate Otter (more brokens in lineage), Mom was Chocolate Tort (more solids and torts (shaded)). I thought there were more brokens on both sides of her lineage.

So I can get some shaded kits in this match? I do so love Neville's shaded look.

Karen

 

[skysthelimit]

Torts are in the shaded category, but I won't bother you witht he genetics that torts are not really "shaded." You could get shaded if Luna inherited it.

 

[ZRabbits]

Torts are in the shaded category, but I won't bother you witht he genetics that torts are not really "shaded." You could get shaded if Luna inherited it.

So what are torts? If not shaded or broken? Just torts? I'm just curious. And please bother me with genetics. Still learning.

I know you can guess until the cows come home, but reality will be what is in the nest box.

Karen

 

[skysthelimit]

The shaded gene is the chin light gene. Tort color is not caused by the chl chin light gene, but it is a non extension ee gene. So although they look shaded like siamese sables, those are two different genes.

http://www.hoppinherdofhares.com/shaded.html<br /><br />__________ Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:22 am __________<br /><br />So I should really say you can get tort if Luna inherited the non extension gene.

 

[ZRabbits]

Thanks so much. Truly appreciate it. Now I understand regarding tort. All to do with the non extension "ee" gene. Guess I'll see if Luna inherited the non extension gene when she delivers. Now to get her pregnant when she's ready. Just hoping right now she does well for her first time and we get healthy kits. Understand "first timers" and how hard it is for some. Not always a pleasant experience no matter how much you prepare you doe for their first time.

Karen<br /><br />__________ Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:45 am __________<br /><br />

The shaded gene is the chin light gene. Tort color is not caused by the chl chin light gene, but it is a non extension ee gene. So although they look shaded like siamese sables, those are two different genes.

http://www.hoppinherdofhares.com/shaded.html

__________ Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:22 am __________

So I should really say you can get tort if Luna inherited the non extension gene.

Just went and pulled this information off the breeder's website. This is what was put for the locus

Luna:

Sire: ata bb C_ D_ Enen

Dam: aa bb C_ D_ ee

I read that the "En" gene is not part of the "E" locus, but a Broken Gene?

Here's Neville's:

Sire: aa bb C_ dd ee

Dam: aa B_ c(chl)c Dd ee

Looks like Neville's Mom had the "shaded" gene (chl). Along with the "ee", like Neville's Dad.


The capital letters are the most dominant gene? And babies get a gene from each parent?

So Luna could be: ata bb CC DD Enee

And Neville could be: aa Bb Cc(chl) Dd ee


So do I have the concept or am I way off? Don't think you will offend me if you say Way off. Just learning.

Karen

 

[skysthelimit]

Yes the most dominant genes are capital. Some people don't put En in the series, because if it's there it's broken, no need to account for it.

I would not fill in the CC or DD, just leave as C_D_ because you don't really know what's there yet. it's possible to hide dilute,d, or REW, c, for many generations.

Luna could not be ata, unless she is an otter. if she is a broken choco self, she's aabbC_D_E_En_, possibly ee

Neville would be dd if he is a blue tort, aaB_(leave blank unless you know he carries chocolate)C_ (he can't have the chl and c gene at the same time, or he would not be a tort)ddee

 

[ZRabbits]

Yes the most dominant genes are capital. Some people don't put En in the series, because if it's there it's broken, no need to account for it.

I would not fill in the CC or DD, just leave as C_D_ because you don't really know what's there yet. it's possible to hide dilute,d, or REW, c, for many generations.

Luna could not be ata, unless she is an otter. if she is a broken choco self, she's aabbC_D_E_En_, possibly ee

Neville would be dd if he is a blue tort, aaB_(leave blank unless you know he carries chocolate)C_ (he can't have the chl and c gene at the same time, or he would not be a tort)ddee

Thanks so much Sky for all your help. Truly appreciate you taking the time to help a newbie understand.

Karen

 

[SatinsRule]

Ok if I have read this correct this is what i get??
Parent 1 parent 2
Solid solid 100% solids
Solid broken 50% solids& 50% brokens
Solid charlie 100% brokens
Broken broken 25% solids 50% brokens 25%charlies
Broken charlies 50% brokens 50% charlies
Charlie charlie 100% charlies so dont do this!!!
Is this correct??

Not always. I bred a broken doe with a solid blue buck earlier this year, and got one-third brokens, while two thirds of the litter were solids.

It is going to vary based upon what the ancestry of each rabbit is, so look at their pedigrees. If there is alot of broken in their backgrounds, it behoves you to add in a solid color periodically in order to keep getting the brokens you obviously desire versus getting a bunch of charlies.

 

[akane]

The ancestry of the rabbit has nothing to do with getting 1/3rd brokens. Genetically the odds are 50/50. It's just chance that makes you get a litter which doesn't match the genetic odds. If you bred 100 times from a specific pair the numbers would even out and you would get that 50/50.

 

[Bad Habit]

Ok if I have read this correct this is what i get??
Parent 1 parent 2
Solid solid 100% solids
Solid broken 50% solids& 50% brokens
Solid charlie 100% brokens
Broken broken 25% solids 50% brokens 25%charlies
Broken charlies 50% brokens 50% charlies
Charlie charlie 100% charlies so dont do this!!!
Is this correct??

Not always. I bred a broken doe with a solid blue buck earlier this year, and got one-third brokens, while two thirds of the litter were solids.

It is going to vary based upon what the ancestry of each rabbit is, so look at their pedigrees. If there is alot of broken in their backgrounds, it behoves you to add in a solid color periodically in order to keep getting the brokens you obviously desire versus getting a bunch of charlies.

Those percentages are per the ---(forgot the word, starts with a p) Square, and it's not the projected ratio for a litter, but actually the chance for each KIT inheriting those genetics. It doesn't really depend on the ratio of solid to broken in the pedigree, but which swimmer hits which egg.

Dang, took too long typing, and Akane ninja'd me

 

[MamaSheepdog]

I bred two solid does to the same broken buck, and one doe had all solids and one broken, and the other doe had all brokens and one solid. They kindled on the same day, so I thought it was really neat. I got my 50/50 ratio all right... just out of two litters, not one.

Bad Habit, it's a Punnet Square.