acid/alum free tanning rabbit, possible?

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skysthelimit":vy6q9f88 said:
Alum is used for pickling and baking, so it's natural enough for me.
[background: many overdoses are referred to as intoxication. Water intoxication, aluminum intoxication, ect.]
the dangers of aluminum were not completely realized until dialysis patients started having aluminum intoxication, hospitals started using filtered water, because of this. Alum (aluminum) may preserve pickles, but what it can do to the body... I do not want to be mummified / preserved with an item (like aluminum) that can accumulation in my system or on my property. This I say as I sip my soda from an aluminum can - which I can recycle, off my property. :)
 
I understand this, but considering I straighten my hair with lye, dye it black with who knows what, spray quite a bit of bug spray, use lots of shampoo, dish washing liquid, paint with spray/oil paints, use wood stain, degreasers, drano, drink tea (the tannin does act on the inside of the body) and who knows how many other little toxic things, alum is pretty mild compared to all of those. At least the alum never touches my hands.

I don't drink alcohol, soda or smoke, so I guess we balance ourselves as much as we can.
 
I just do not want such harsh chemicals on my land, I want to be able to dump the liquid out the door and not worry.
 
ChickiesnBunnies":24a6m8i3 said:
I just do not want such harsh chemicals on my land, I want to be able to dump the liquid out the door and not worry.

Since you pasture raise animals this would be a big concern for you. In your case, I wouldn't want it either. I don't even have any grass on my lawn.
 
skysthelimit":1f1x312a said:
I understand this, but considering I straighten my hair with lye, dye it black with who knows what, spray quite a bit of bug spray, use lots of shampoo, dish washing liquid, paint with spray/oil paints, use wood stain, degreasers, drano, drink tea (the tannin does act on the inside of the body) and who knows how many other little toxic things, alum is pretty mild compared to all of those. At least the alum never touches my hands.

I don't drink alcohol, soda or smoke, so I guess we balance ourselves as much as we can.
Skysthelimit - You live in the city, with a trash service, that will even pick up your plastic and autumn leaves. When you throw away that empty can of whipped cream, it is gone.
- In the country, many people burn their trash and leaves. Many of the items you talk about using, also come in packaging that does not burn well, may be outright toxic, or might (in the case of some cans) explode when burned.
Trash Service for country farms? Your own truck, and you deliver to the dump.
 
skysthelimit":1rkc369q said:
I imagine it would stain the fur as well.

The sources I have read (not tried any yet, so we'll see) say that to avoid staining the fur of pieces you leave intact, brush the tanning solution only on the skin side. You have to keep checking and re-brushing as the skin absorbs the tanning solution, so it's more attention intensive than soaking for 2-3 days, but might be a better product for it?

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Piper":1rkc369q said:
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Trash Service for country farms? Your own truck, and you deliver to the dump.

Sadly, many people decide not to take that long a trek, nor pay the dump's fees, and just dump it on the property of someone whose acreage is wooded! :evil: Happens to my brother and my daughter toooo often!
 
Piper":15ldzig5 said:
skysthelimit":15ldzig5 said:
I understand this, but considering I straighten my hair with lye, dye it black with who knows what, spray quite a bit of bug spray, use lots of shampoo, dish washing liquid, paint with spray/oil paints, use wood stain, degreasers, drano, drink tea (the tannin does act on the inside of the body) and who knows how many other little toxic things, alum is pretty mild compared to all of those. At least the alum never touches my hands.

I don't drink alcohol, soda or smoke, so I guess we balance ourselves as much as we can.
Skysthelimit - You live in the city, with a trash service, that will even pick up your plastic and autumn leaves. When you throw away that empty can of whipped cream, it is gone.
- In the country, many people burn their trash and leaves. Many of the items you talk about using, also come in packaging that does not burn well, may be outright toxic, or might (in the case of some cans) explode when burned.
Trash Service for country farms? Your own truck, and you deliver to the dump.

I understand that, it's not like I've never went anywhere outside of the city. If Chickies doesn't want to use alum because she wants no chemicals that's cool, and there is nothing in my posts that says I don't respect her decisions. Quite the contrary, I have listed several ideas that don't use any chemicals. But alum is my choice, and it's what I am going to use, and I certainly don't need a country girl/city girl lecture to point out anything.

I would have to find a solution to the things I use no matter where I am. If I lived out in the country, the amount of bug spray and pesticides I use would probably double, because there are certainly more bugs and creatures out there. No ticks here, no grubs, no earwigs, haven't seen a ladybug in years. You know that most of the containers I have I reuse over and over until they are no good? Whipped cream bowels make nice food storage, metal cans store nails, make useful scoops, and flower pots. Gallon jugs hold water for bunnies. And there are some things even city trash won't let you put in the garbage. Like paint cans, got a lot of those and I need to be creative with disposal. Twigs and leaves have to be bundled a certain way, and most of the time it's more efficient to burn them, which is what happens here most of the time. I mulch mine from what little trees I have on the property.

I just don't consider alum that hazardous, considering all the other stuff I use. Compared to the lye that I use the straighten my hair every 8 weeks, which can literally burn the skin off of my scalp, alum is more natural, given a choice of solutions to use. To me, using alum is like the argument for natural feeding vs pellets. I add some unwanted chemicals by using pellets, but I don't have the time, space, patience or energy to collect forage for the rabbits. I don't live in the country so I don't have time, space or energy to find these natural items and do it the natural way, so alum is a slightly more natural product, as opposed to chemical OTC tanning creams.

The point is somewhere there is a trade off, and we balance the pollution as best as possible.
 
dragonladyleanne":3cbkfp9i said:
skysthelimit":3cbkfp9i said:
I imagine it would stain the fur as well.

The sources I have read (not tried any yet, so we'll see) say that to avoid staining the fur of pieces you leave intact, brush the tanning solution only on the skin side. You have to keep checking and re-brushing as the skin absorbs the tanning solution, so it's more attention intensive than soaking for 2-3 days, but might be a better product for it?

Let me know how it goes for you. I am really curious how hard it is, and how nice the pelts come out, and if you can avoid staining.

I still think I'm going to try Alum/sulphur at least this first time as I have a bunch of pelts in the freezer with their connective tissue intact. I imagine the more natural route is going to be a lot more labor intensive, will need all that scraping done first, and I don't have the time.

I'd love to hear how bark tanning or brain tanning goes for you all. I'm intimidated how labor intensive it sounds.

For me, I am an organic/natural freak but I find sometimes chemicals are necessary. (ie I weld- that's not healthy either ;) I do not use most common household chemicals - which I consider quite toxic. I'm in the country so disposal is a big concern - I can't dump it, we have a well. That would be bad. I suppose I better figure out disposal prior to starting!

ps. I didn't buy the brain tanning book because it listed only large animal pelts. Rabbit is such a thinner pelt, and imagine it might need to be handled differently. Anyone have experience with this book or method?
 
Also consider that handling animal brains is not always safe either. There were some cautions about parasites, enough to make me leave it alone.
 
I just can't see myself squishing up brains and rubbing them around. The thought gives me the heebie-jeebies! :x
 
MamaSheepdog":1h42t5vl said:
I just can't see myself squishing up brains and rubbing them around. The thought gives me the heebie-jeebies! :x
Brain tanning, is also called oil tanning. There are recipes using items like eggs, for the squeamish. Or do not feel like :rambo:
 
MamaSheepdog":muhc48sh said:
I just can't see myself squishing up brains and rubbing them around. The thought gives me the heebie-jeebies! :x


living in the city, as I do, the main concern is what the neighbors are seeing. despite the fact that the city zoning laws allow me to have pretty much anything that can fit on the parcel, my neighbors can get upset if they see me, well butchering animals, tanning hides, etc. anything too natural is something I can't do inside the physical house. the barn, unfortunately, is in the front of the house, facing the street. i have neighbors on three sides, the brain would be noticed, not to mention it would sink. too natural is too noticeable.
 
skysthelimit":26e6bfed said:
i have neighbors on three sides, the brain would be noticed, not to mention it would sink. too natural is too noticeable.
Use metal shepards hooks (like you use for hanging plants) to hang a tarp or two. The brain part should not smell. You would still have a problem, the last part of tanning is smoking with a fire. Unless the neighbors are used to you having a bbq and think that is want you are doing. :)
 
skysthelimit":2vrh1e3a said:
Also consider that handling animal brains is not always safe either. There were some cautions about parasites, enough to make me leave it alone.

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MamaSheepdog":2vrh1e3a said:
I just can't see myself squishing up brains and rubbing them around. The thought gives me the heebie-jeebies! :x

Its the visual on cracking open the skulls and pulling out the brains like a zombie that gives me the heebie-jeebies!! could possibly convince my partner, however.... ewww
 
Stormy":1sip6dbl said:
Its the visual on cracking open the skulls and pulling out the brains like a zombie that gives me the heebie-jeebies!!

Eww!!! I hadn't even considered that part. Yuck. Just... yuck!

Brainnnnzzzzz... :zombiebun:
 
MamaSheepdog":1mdtpcui said:
Stormy":1mdtpcui said:
Its the visual on cracking open the skulls and pulling out the brains like a zombie that gives me the heebie-jeebies!!

Eww!!! I hadn't even considered that part. Yuck. Just... yuck!

Brainnnnzzzzz... :zombiebun:

LOL where did you get that Zombie Bunny??? Too funny!!
 
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someone is always burning something around here, bonfires are highly illegal but common. when I cut down the plum tree, my neighbor gave me a wood stove to burn all of the pieces, but I hate the smell of burning wood, bbq's and incense give me headaches, so I sent it back. I have to close all of my windows when my neighbor lights up his story high fire. I am grateful for it though, because it smokes out all the 'skeeters and flies.

i have all of this extra lumber and wood from the chicken coop, I have no choice but to burn it or cut it up in very small pieces. good time for that ash recipe, and the goat head is still in the freezer. just the right temps now...
 
Stormy":2sirh6rv said:
MamaSheepdog":2sirh6rv said:
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