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amanda82

amanda82

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We have mini Rex now that we are raising to show but we are currently looking to get/start breeding market rabbits - we are located south east Texas - will travel but would like to stay somewhat close - thanks for any advice or help!
 
Hi,

Where in southeast Texas? It's a big state LOL .. . . I have Tamuks on 287 between Ennis & Waxahachie, (Reagor Springs) but I don't have any available at this moment. The doe is 11 lbs and had 10 very healthy kits last time, she will kindle again in a few weeks. The buck is about 8 lbs. Unfortunately at this point, I can't provide a breeding pair, unless you would like a smaller Tamuk-cross buck. I have 2 more unrelated Tamuk does but they are not breeding age yet. When they are older, I will be able to provide breeding pairs.

- Liz
 
HTAcres said:
Tamuk do make a great meat rabbit for Texas. The "red rabbits" on this map are Tamuk breeders. Should be some near you since you are SE.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1nSBXu-oUOdNfU3yh0p1Umdo-8KHaZ3Oz&usp=sharing
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That is an awesome map! Thanks for sharing. How do you get added to the map, there is a Tamuk/Other breeder in Cleburne, TX and myself (Tamuk & Crosses) in Reagor Springs, TX. I haven't come up with a good name for my rabbitry yet LOL. . .
 
Rabbits by Accident said:
That is an awesome map! Thanks for sharing. How do you get added to the map, there is a Tamuk/Other breeder in Cleburne, TX and myself (Tamuk & Crosses) in Reagor Springs, TX. I haven't come up with a good name for my rabbitry yet LOL. . .
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Maybe once I pick up the kit from you and start breeding I can get added too!!!!
 
It is important to keep track of each other now that the college has shut down their program and the breed has not been recognized by ARBA (yet). You don't have to be a big breeder, just intending to produce at least some full Tamuk rabbits. I will only ever have 32 holes as that is the size of my current frame and hubby says that's it! lol. They are not all full yet.
 
Like they came from different litters. Like one was born a few weeks ago and the other hasn't been born yet lol if that makes sense. Same mom and dad.
 
Rogers92 said:
Like they came from different litters. Like one was born a few weeks ago and the other hasn't been born yet lol if that makes sense. Same mom and dad.
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Ah, I get it now. I think it would be fine, just a bit more of a chance of a deformed kit.

We used to breed Cinder and Couch and they are half siblings. A few years ago I found out that two rabbits we were breeding were related, but they had lots of healthy kitsIMG_20220203_071349150.jpgCinderIMG_20220203_071415073.jpgCouch (he used to be a lot prettier)
 
Rogers92 said:
Hey I have a question.. is it okay to breed 2 rabbits from the same buck and doe just different litters? Or is that weird?
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Yes, it's called line breeding. As I understand it, the only ones you shouldn't breed are siblings from the same litter. Full siblings, but different litters (meaning same parents) are okay, as well as breeding children to parents. Creepy to me, but I'm new to this LOL. I have unrelated bucks/does, and I don't plan to keep the babies to breed, so I don't know that I will run into it. Also, if you want to get an unrelated rabbit to breed, they don't cost much and then you don't have to worry at all.

Anyone who wants to correct me, feel free, as I said, I'm new to this, so I might have gotten something wrong :)

Liz
 
Rabbits by Accident said:
Yes, it's called line breeding. As I understand it, the only ones you shouldn't breed are siblings from the same litter. Full siblings, but different litters (meaning same parents) are okay, as well as breeding children to parents. Creepy to me, but I'm new to this LOL. I have unrelated bucks/does, and I don't plan to keep the babies to breed, so I don't know that I will run into it. Also, if you want to get an unrelated rabbit to breed, they don't cost much and then you don't have to worry at all.

Anyone who wants to correct me, feel free, as I said, I'm new to this, so I might have gotten something wrong :)

Liz
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Only issue is finding another pet sized tamuk to breed to the one I get from you. I did look at the map and there is a few near me so once i get one from you and know if i need a buck or doe I'll go from there.
 
Rogers92 said:
Only issue is finding another pet sized tamuk to breed to the one I get from you. I did look at the map and there is a few near me so once i get one from you and know if i need a buck or doe I'll go from there.
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She is a Tamuk-cross, meaning she is not fully Tamuk. Tamuks are a composite breed from a lot of different breeds of rabbits, but they are large.
 
Rabbits by Accident said:
Yes, it's called line breeding. As I understand it, the only ones you shouldn't breed are siblings from the same litter. Full siblings, but different litters (meaning same parents) are okay, as well as breeding children to parents. Creepy to me, but I'm new to this LOL. I have unrelated bucks/does, and I don't plan to keep the babies to breed, so I don't know that I will run into it. Also, if you want to get an unrelated rabbit to breed, they don't cost much and then you don't have to worry at all.

Anyone who wants to correct me, feel free, as I said, I'm new to this, so I might have gotten something wrong :)

Liz
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I have a year of experience and this was the hardest thing for me to learn as I used to breed dogs where line breeding is very tricky and not recommended for novices. In rabbits, it is all about the genetics. Breed your best to your best (almost) regardless of relationship. If you breed close relatives, deformities are not very likely - more likely is that it will cause "bad" genetics to show up. My understanding is like yours, the lesser desirable mating is sibling to sibling (not sure that it matters whether it is from the same mating). Better to breed daughter/dad, son/mom and yes, it has taken us a while to get past our anthromorphological distaste lol.

I am working on getting a new line right now just so I can provide unrelated trios. Naturally when someone is starting out, it is better to have a broader genetic base as it increases your chances at a healthy herd.
 
If you are breeding for meat, sib-sib breeding is fine--you only keep the very best. This is why line breeding is biologically undesirable the higher you get on the food chain:

If your breeders typically have 5-10 (or more, for some species) offspring per breeding, and will have many breedings across their lifetime, line breeding is very acceptable. Particularly if unacceptable offspring are permanently removed from the gene pool, either by surgical sterilization (spay/neuter), or by culling to the freezer. The percentage of unacceptable offspfring is more than compensated for by the sheer number of offspring created.

If your breeders have 1-5 offspring per breeding and will have numerous breedings possible across their lifetimes, the sib-sib breedings may still work out, but more caution is advised--you should be really good at identifying potential negative traits and avoid crosses that might intensify those. The potential is still good that the majority of the offspring will be fantastic valuable members of the gene pool.

If your breeders (like humans) have one or two offspring across their entire lifespan, the potential for deletrious traits is statistically NO HIGHER than with the rapid breeders for each individual offspring. But the cost of a single unhealthy offspring is deemed so catastrophic for the parents, genetically, and in humans also emotionally, that societies have elaborate and non-negotiable taboos against such mating. In some animals like primates, males are driven away from the family group at puberty for this very reason.

It is basically all a function of birthrates. Rabbits are among the high birthrate category for mammals, so line breeding and inbreeding can be acceptably practiced if you are able to recognize negative traits and breed away from them. The rabbits themselves are completely unconcerned.
 
eco2pia said:
If you are breeding for meat, sib-sib breeding is fine--you only keep the very best. This is why line breeding is biologically undesirable the higher you get on the food chain:

If your breeders typically have 5-10 (or more, for some species) offspring per breeding, and will have many breedings across their lifetime, line breeding is very acceptable. Particularly if unacceptable offspring are permanently removed from the gene pool, either by surgical sterilization (spay/neuter), or by culling to the freezer. The percentage of unacceptable offspfring is more than compensated for by the sheer number of offspring created.

If your breeders have 1-5 offspring per breeding and will have numerous breedings possible across their lifetimes, the sib-sib breedings may still work out, but more caution is advised--you should be really good at identifying potential negative traits and avoid crosses that might intensify those. The potential is still good that the majority of the offspring will be fantastic valuable members of the gene pool.

If your breeders (like humans) have one or two offspring across their entire lifespan, the potential for deletrious traits is statistically NO HIGHER than with the rapid breeders for each individual offspring. But the cost of a single unhealthy offspring is deemed so catastrophic for the parents, genetically, and in humans also emotionally, that societies have elaborate and non-negotiable taboos against such mating. In some animals like primates, males are driven away from the family group at puberty for this very reason.

It is basically all a function of birthrates. Rabbits are among the high birthrate category for mammals, so line breeding and inbreeding can be acceptably practiced if you are able to recognize negative traits and breed away from them. The rabbits themselves are completely unconcerned.
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Wonderful explanation! Thank you for clarifying. Makes sense now.
-Liz
 
Rabbits by Accident said:
Hi,

Where in southeast Texas? It's a big state LOL .. . . I have Tamuks on 287 between Ennis & Waxahachie, (Reagor Springs) but I don't have any available at this moment. The doe is 11 lbs and had 10 very healthy kits last time, she will kindle again in a few weeks. The buck is about 8 lbs. Unfortunately at this point, I can't provide a breeding pair, unless you would like a smaller Tamuk-cross buck. I have 2 more unrelated Tamuk does but they are not breeding age yet. When they are older, I will be able to provide breeding pairs.

- Liz
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Yes…it is big lol guess I should have specified more on the location. I am about an hour East of Houston -
 

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