HoppinHalfPints":34mm8i1r said:
Sort of like the Boston Massacre... But from what Miss M was saying, they had helicopters, a swat team, heck I wouldn't be surprised if they had a tank. I doubt they were outnumbered.
They showed up with some 200 men, plus all the hardware. Bundy had about 50 at his ranch, including a bunch of little grandkids.
They've been finding cattle that were shot multiple times and buried.
ckcs":34mm8i1r said:
I'd like to mention that Bundy's son and supporters where escalating things. There was a lot of yelling and cursing at agents. While the dog did lunge at Bundy's son it was never released.
The BLM escalated things first, showing up like they were going to attack a small country. The dog, maybe it was never released (I don't know, I hadn't read one way or the other), but it was biting his leg anyway.
HoppinHalfPints":34mm8i1r said:
He may not have said it in the best of ways (he's an old ranch dude and not "politically correct") but some truth rings out. 73% of African Americans are single moms and dads. I've seen the effects of this in my own family, part of which is African American. Britain has the same problem, only it's white folks over there because of bad culture. Socialism destroys. There is a very high rate of abortion, sadly, in the black community as well. Is it bad for kids? Yes.
Absolutely. He definitely could have said it better (a LOT better), but if you read and think about what he was saying, there's a lot of truth to it. Slavery is evil. When this country had open slavery, they knew they were slaves. Now the slavery is more discreet, more insidious, but it is still there, and it's a lot bigger. Only now, they don't realize they are slaves. Welfare is slavery. My husband walks in it every day. These people (plenty of white ones, too) sell their lives to the government. If they try to lift themselves up, everything they get is gone. Get married, it's all gone. They are kept down, under the government's thumb, and they don't even realize they're slaves.
My mom used to be a computer programmer for the state. A pretty, young, brilliant black lady came and worked there for a while. Then she turned in her notice. My mom asked her why she was leaving, since she was a good programmer with a solid, well-paying career ahead of her. Her answer? "My mama told me I'm old enough to have a baby and go on welfare." She was trading a life of self-determination and personal accomplishment for a life of servitude to the government, in which accomplishment is punished with removal of benefits.
And yes, if you look at the history of Planned Parenthood, and Margaret Sanger, and the eugenics movement, it's mind-blowing. Margaret Sanger quote: "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." (Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon)
HoppinHalfPints":34mm8i1r said:
The issue of Bundy's grazing rights and excessive gov't force doesn't go away just because you don't agree with him. Those guns can be turned on you, you know.
And that's the real point here. It doesn't matter whether you like him, or whether he's a racist. Even racists and people you don't like should have the same rights as everyone else. The BLM overstepped. That's the issue.
HoppinHalfPints":34mm8i1r said:
The GOP are cowards for backing down against the gov't push on state's rights. They should have never gotten involved in the first place.
I absolutely agree. The guy says something uncouth, and suddenly you drop him like a hot potato. Suddenly, it doesn't matter that a small army descended on his ranch. It doesn't matter that the government did the big wrong here. If the only people you're going to stand up for are suave orators who never say anything wrong, then stay out of it.