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my brief experience with wolves has led me to believe they would avoid a fight with my dogs if they could, -after the first time when they lost a pack member or two, they just took off for greener pastures when the dogs came out. -the only time they fought after that is if they could not get away.
One of my Saints decided he was going to teach those coyotes a lesson one winter, and took off after them in deep snow, [the coyotes were eating a cow carcass the dairy had drug out away from the buildings a few hundred yards.] He killed quite a few, but was so tore up he had to be stitched up a lot, [the only thing that saved him was the deep snow]-- he never went out very far after them after that, - if he could not catch and kill them close to the buildings and corrals he would just quit and come back.
One of my Saints decided he was going to teach those coyotes a lesson one winter, and took off after them in deep snow, [the coyotes were eating a cow carcass the dairy had drug out away from the buildings a few hundred yards.] He killed quite a few, but was so tore up he had to be stitched up a lot, [the only thing that saved him was the deep snow]-- he never went out very far after them after that, - if he could not catch and kill them close to the buildings and corrals he would just quit and come back.
skysthelimit
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akane":27lhk61h said:
Yeah, just saying. GSDs are strong, but they are smart too, I bet they'd know if they were outclassed.
Though considering where I live the conversation is strictly academic. I doubt I will ever see an actual wild wolf in my lifetime.
andyva
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People in Idaho have been loosing bear hounds to wolves with great regularity. It appears that some wolf packs have been specializing on this food source. Even taking on packs of dogs. Bear dogs are pretty tough. Not only have they been bred to hunt and fight with a bear until it climbs a tree, more importantly, they are still being bred for this. Most of today's dog breeds are not rigorously culled based on performance. Results may vary. But the 20 gauge with buckshot should do the trick.
coyotejoe
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Last week I saw a photo posted in a local sporting goods store of two empty dog collars and chains on bloody ground, all that was left of two hunting dogs. 
Any dog chained outside is wolf bait since the dog can neither run nor effectively fight. I have never liked seeing any dog chained outdoors but if one has a pack of hunting hounds it probably is not very practical to keep them all in the house like my two pampered mutts.
Any dog chained outside is wolf bait since the dog can neither run nor effectively fight. I have never liked seeing any dog chained outdoors but if one has a pack of hunting hounds it probably is not very practical to keep them all in the house like my two pampered mutts.It's pretty standard to tie out dogs like huskies. They are terrible escape artists from fences and pens. It's the only effective way to keep track of a large number of sled dogs. I have the same problem with my other spitz breeds. We tied them out on a rock climbing rope most of the time because they escape the 5' fence I put in so many times. Usually though we only did it while we were outside doing stuff and not overnight. Many spitz breeds are even worse. Kai ken are notorious fence climbers and have an impressive vertical leap. They don't just tree their prey. They go up the tree to get it. Most rescues require a 5-6' fence with slanted wire at the top and a barrier at the bottom to avoid climbing, jumping, and digging out. I'm really not against tie out for that reason.
Gah, the newf seems easier to pen. He's too heavy to jump or climb very high. The pitbull will just chew right through a wooden fence if he wants out bad enough.
He's also chewed through interior doors and a large breed wire crate (gave up on attempted crating).
It's a good thing the only place he really want's to go is to the couch, otherwise I might have had a harder time with him.
Don't really think either of them would be a match for wolves. Maybe the newf, if he wasn't too smart to get involved. He might if he thought he had to protect us, but I doubt he'd have a clue how to defend himself.
The pit would probably die trying, but only after he was convinced that fighting was the only option, or it may actually just be permission he'd need. I've seen him growled at, dominance mounted, and bitten by other dogs before. He largely ignores them. He never acts submissive to them, just like, they are irrelevant.
He did actually put his paw out once to push away an older male dog who was growing in his face. The one who was biting him was a small breed older female. He just chose to tolerate it.
Usually he will look at us for a cue, as if to ask "what am I supposed to do?" I'd always gotten the impression that he may have been a killer had I ever asked him to be, but I only wanted a dog who got along with everything, so that's what he is
He's also chewed through interior doors and a large breed wire crate (gave up on attempted crating).
It's a good thing the only place he really want's to go is to the couch, otherwise I might have had a harder time with him.
Don't really think either of them would be a match for wolves. Maybe the newf, if he wasn't too smart to get involved. He might if he thought he had to protect us, but I doubt he'd have a clue how to defend himself.
The pit would probably die trying, but only after he was convinced that fighting was the only option, or it may actually just be permission he'd need. I've seen him growled at, dominance mounted, and bitten by other dogs before. He largely ignores them. He never acts submissive to them, just like, they are irrelevant.
He did actually put his paw out once to push away an older male dog who was growing in his face. The one who was biting him was a small breed older female. He just chose to tolerate it.
Usually he will look at us for a cue, as if to ask "what am I supposed to do?" I'd always gotten the impression that he may have been a killer had I ever asked him to be, but I only wanted a dog who got along with everything, so that's what he is
My akita disciplines other dogs and avoids fights. I can't take her to dog parks though because the other owners get concerned when she's got fur up and growling. I'm not saying she isn't serious but she's not flat out going to attack the other dog. She's just telling it to go away. She will paw away non threatening puppies and small dogs if they annoy her. When she has actually come up against a dog who wanted to fight and ignored her warnings she got out of the situation and found me to deal with it. The dog was not threatening me or the shiba and was not on her property so she was not going to get involved in a pointless fight. However, she will kill if it's threatening and you give permission to go after it.
CochinBrahmaLover
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coyotejoe":1n54hbfq said:Last week I saw a photo posted in a local sporting goods store of two empty dog collars and chains on bloody ground, all that was left of two hunting dogs.
She has 40 dogs, some mushers have 100 or so. You have to keep them chained out.
coyotejoe":2fdj1ofa said:Last week I saw a photo posted in a local sporting goods store of two empty dog collars and chains on bloody ground, all that was left of two hunting dogs.
that is why most "country folks" keep some leg-hold traps around. Hungry wolves and cats, will usually circle the area a little before making the kill, setting a few traps out away from your critters will often catch the predator before it gets to the stock , or dogs. and once a pack member is in a trap, the other wolves will not continue with the project. Or,- if hungry enough, will sometimes kill the trapped one.
I had more trouble with cats where I have been, and a trap is the easy way to deal with them. The locals like to run dogs, but sometimes they get the cat and sometimes they don't.
Years ago I had a job "hunting / trapping" for a large sheep rancher in Montana ,and I was paid for my kills, I have seen a lot of kills, but, - in the years I did that, I never saw a livestock kill made by wolves, [or wolf] - I saw wolves eating cat , coyote, and dog kills, but never a kill that they had made, - so- I would not kill wolves back then.--- I suppose that now with a larger wolf population it is different.---
andyva
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The bear houndsmen I was talking about weren't having a problem with wolves killing dogs on a chain, they were having problems where wolves have learned to listen to a pack of baying hounds and intersect them. Then they kill most of them and eat everything but the tracking collars, which the hunters later find.
I was just trying to drive home the point that whole packs of large, very athletic dogs, with plenty of experience scuffling with dangerous animals, are falling prey to wolf packs. Unless you have ten or fifteen LGDs, they are no match for a pack of determined wolves. However, in most instances, they will avoid confrontation and hunt elsewhere, when faced with a couple of large territorial dogs.
I was just trying to drive home the point that whole packs of large, very athletic dogs, with plenty of experience scuffling with dangerous animals, are falling prey to wolf packs. Unless you have ten or fifteen LGDs, they are no match for a pack of determined wolves. However, in most instances, they will avoid confrontation and hunt elsewhere, when faced with a couple of large territorial dogs.
skysthelimit
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Sheesh!!! Wolves have certainly earned their reputation!
coyotejoe
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Try to tell that to a wolf lover.skysthelimit":w927n0hp said:
skysthelimit
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coyotejoe":2e74pr9g said:
I thought that's why they loved them.
