What colors can be born white with black eyes?

[alforddm]

So, as you may have seen Little Blackie had her litter. I was very surprised to see whites with black eyes in the litter. The sire is a pedigreed lilac standard rex with only lilac and chocolate on his pedigree and the dam is "black" with a scattering of white hairs. Zass had told me she was probably Steel and judging by the kits she was right. I looks like I have Steels and chestnuts as well as the black eyed whites. There may be rews as well as I didn't examine every white kit just made sure there were no dead ones.

So, what besides frosty will be born white with black eyes? I was expecting all of this litter to be black, steel, and chestnut. The doe is possibly homozygous for chin with rew also a possibly.

I probably need to contact my bucks breeder and let her know? I'm not upset at all as I love colors just surprised. I will be able to tell more about what the buck carries when my other two does kindle.

 

[EnglishSpot]

I don't know but CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!

 

[Dood]

Frosty and sable points and sallanders and reds all look pink as newborns as well as REW and Himilayans of course

After a few days the reds start to redden up and the sallanders and sables can get smutty but in warm weather it can take longer to see. Sometimes dilutes/blue sables and sallanders have very faint shading and I assume chocolate and lilac would also be lighter marked than the blacks.

Some Frostys never get shading and stay white with dark eyes even as adults and the term "ermine" is used to describe them - I think it is the chinchilla/dark shaded gene frosties that stay the whitest

 

[alforddm]

Thanks Dood! I knew you would sort me out. They definitely have dark eyes. I was super excited to see it. I guess I'll just have to wait a bit and see what I've got.

 

[akane]

I couldn't really tell the difference in eye color of my pinks when first born. Not until they fuzzed a little and then not guaranteed until they opened their eyes. I couldn't tell a himi from a rew from a frosty.

I think it is the chinchilla/dark shaded gene frosties that stay the whitest

Rabbits with dark shaded nonextension still get quite a bit of color by the time they are fully grown. Even my lilacs are very creamy instead of white. I would guess you need A chl ee rabbits to attempt truly white with dark eyes. Which I will have in the future to test it but it takes awhile for the color to develop so I'm not sure at what point you can tell.

 

[Dood]

If you have experience with pink eyed and dark eye mice, rats, gerbils etc.. it makes seeing the difference easier

I knew my little frosty/ermine wasn't a REW or himi at birth by his dark eyes under his sealed eye lids

 

[akane]

Gerbils are easy to tell. I usually knew what colors I had at birth but I wasn't working with too many. Standard agouti, argente, black, and yellow fox were mostly it.

 

[alforddm]

Well, since I ended up bringing the litter into the house (me my other thread day-28-t24692.html). I took the opportunity to take some pictures. There are the dark eyed white looking kits and then a really light kit. I'm thrilled! Who would have known my meat mutts would have so many unusual recessives.

As near as I can tell all the "white" kits have dark eyes.