What color is this?

[TerriG]

This kit was born completely pink. Dam is Black Tort. Sire is Palomino.

Color on the tail

Belly and feet

With litter-mates. Just a hint of tan when you look against the fur.

 

[MamaMandy]

Is it a blue point? Hard to tell from the pics since the lighting isn't the best but that's what it looks like to me!

 

[MamaMandy]

Is it a blue point? Hard to tell from the pics since the lighting isn't the best but that's what it looks like to me!

 

[Dood]

It is definitley some sort of shaded or himalayan pointed bunny, but getting any more specific than that is a guessing game.

The problem with recessives is we cannot always see them in the parents or littermates, and rabbits can change their colours, quiet drastically in some cases, once they get their mature coat.

What is the colour of the eye?

Do you know anything about the siblings and half siblings from other litters?

Do you know anything about the grand parents, aunts and uncles?

What other colours did the breeders you got your Tort and Palomino have?

 

[TerriG]

This is this doe's first litter, so no help there. This kit appears to have brown eyes. This buck did sire one of my other litters and we have a frosty in that litter, along with a Silver Marten, a Chinchilla, and 3 Palominos. This leads me to believe that this Palomino buck is throwing cchl? Since he is Palomino, he would be Ccchl, right? Here is that other kit (frosty). Palomino sire, Agouti dam.

Breeder had Palomino, Californian, Checkered Giant, a Black line. I know she bred in Satin, and Silver Marten. That is about all we know. No pedigrees. Her grow-out cages were colony style and she doesn't tattoo, so not sure she could give us anything definite on the Palomino line even if she tried.<br /><br />__________ Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:53 pm __________<br /><br />This hopefully shows the color a little better. My 15 year old took it while doing afternoon chores. It's still a cell phone pic.

 

[Dood]

this Palomino buck is throwing cchl? Since he is Palomino, he would be Ccchl, right

Right.

The doe is likely "C ch" since she has a Californian in her history and not a REW but you won't know for sure until she produces one or the other. The pointed kit is likely "cchl ch"

 

[TerriG]

Which doe? The Black Tort is the one that came from the Palomino breeder. The 2 Agouti does are meat mutts that were given to us after getting loose and caught (No idea where they from. They were caught at a commercial development). The Tort had the pointed kit. The Agouti had the frosty.

 

[Dood]

Both does who had a "white" kit could have that C locus genotype.
Frosty is just a pointed kit with agouti.

A_ B_ cch_ D_ ee = Frosty

aa B_ cch_ D_ ee = Sable point

 

[TerriG]

So if the kit is Sable Point and is 'aa', is that even possible with Fern being 'aa' and Thumper being 'Aat'? Did I attach the 'at' to the wrong parent? Is it Wheezy that carries the 'at', so 'Aat'? That would still explain the Marten (Thumper+Wheezy), but allow the Sable Point (Thumper+Fern). Is that right?

 

[Dood]

Right. If your "A?" buck had a shaded kit by an "aa" doe he can only be "Aa".

 

[Devon's Mom Lauren]

Its either a frosty or a sable point you have the genetic makeup there for both... a sable point is a self non extension and a frosty is an agouti non extension, both with the chin gene present. The breeder that you got them from introduced that chinchilla gene with the silver marten and the Californians.. A Blue point would be the dilute of sable point. Not sure if you have dilute present or not. Cute litter

 

[Dood]

Would a frost have points visible? I thought the dominant agouti gene would cover it up? I have never bred them so haven't seen any in the flesh as kits or adults.

 

[MamaMandy]

His ears look more blue than brown...I still think it's a blue point!

 

[TerriG]

His ears look more blue than brown...I still think it's a blue point!

Yeah, the ears are definitely what I would call gray, which in rabbit term is blue I believe. I just thought they were gray, but would darken up to maybe black with age?

 

[MamaMandy]

I doubt it...if they look gray, I'd say he's a blue point! How cool! I'd love to have a blue point Holland or Netherland...I don't think they're accepted in either breed but they should be...they're beautiful!

 

[TerriG]

So if this is a sable point/blue point and the other kit is a tort otter, we would be talking dilutes, right? So they would be 'dd'?<br /><br />__________ Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:08 pm __________<br /><br />And does dilute=shaded?

 

[Dood]

 

[MamaMandy]

Dilute does not mean shaded. Shaded is on the C locus. Chl, chd, or ch make shaded. Dilute means blue instead of black, opal instead of chestnut etc. Does that make any sense?

 

[Dood]

And does dilute=shaded?

No.
There are two "dilute" loci. The B locus in recessive bb form makes a black rabbit chocolate and a blue rabbit lilac. The D locus in recessive form makes a black rabbit blue and a chocolate rabbit lilac. Adding the shading gene cch_ makes chocolate/blue/lilac rabbits become chocolate/blue/lilac seal and chocolate/blue/lilac sable and chocolate/blue/lilac pointed rabbits.

 

[skysthelimit]

Dilute is my favorite. I am trying to get every color in my barn in dilute, which is fairly easy, since all but one of my rabbits carry dilute.