Weird broken blue :|

[Romapacoff]

I have a Netherland Dwarf doe that was taken from a neglect situation, and her colouring looks a bit weird to me.

When I first got her, she was suffering from malnutrition so her colouring looked different. Dark blue on the face and ears, and a couple dark blue spots along the back, but also odd silver markings. The best way I can describe it is if you picked up a white rabbit with charcoal on your hands. She just looked dirty.

After getting her on a proper diet, all the dead rough hair shed out and the non-blue spots darkened, but they're still quite light. Anyone have any idea what colour she is? Is she just a weird broken blue? She almost looks like a bluetick coonhound.

The first two are from before her shed. The rest are post-shed.

 

[Zass]

Wow, she's really pretty!!

 

[Nyctra]

Well ain't she unique! Reminds me of a merle dog.

 

[Romapacoff]

Well ain't she unique! Reminds me of a merle dog.

Same! That was my first thought upon seeing her. That and Hershey's Cookies & Cream
For whatever reason, her name is Aglet. As in the plastic knob at the end of your shoelace. I like to pretend it stands for Agitated Piglet.

 

[Nyctra]

There's a name for those things? :shock:
Maybe she had a habit of eating them...I know my first bunny did... :lol:

 

[Susie570]

I think she's a black based magpie.
Or maybe a torted magpie? :shrug:

 

[twr]

My guess is that weird broken blue is about right.
The face pattern looks like a broken (it is definitely not tort because that would gradually shade to white). The lack of back stripe suggests charlie but the face is too dark for that to be likely. The brindled pattern on the back does look a lot like magpie, but magpie should show a clear left-right asymmetry which I don't see (it looks almost-but-not-quite symmetric, which is consistent with En). Broken magpie might be an outside possibility but I don't think so.

Is blueness in doubt? The 2nd photo seems to have the best lighting and looks blue. The lighting in the other photos is less good, but I wouldn't say she looked really black in any of them.

 

[happit]

she looks like she COULD be cross with a silver fox because she has little hairs like one

 

[Romapacoff]

The lighting in the other photos is less good

Sorry about that, I'll post some better quality pics below. I'm definitely no expert when it comes to rabbit colours, but I think she's blue.

The only thing stopping me from thinking she's just an odd broken is that the lighter markings aren't lighter because they're interspersed with white hairs - unlike the dark markings, they're banded, with white at the base and at the tip.

Do magpies have banded hairs? I hope banded is the right word x)

she looks like she COULD be cross with a silver fox because she has little hairs like one

You might be on to something. Silver foxes are darker around the face, like her. But do they ever have random dark blotches on the body as well?

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Here's a pic from a while ago that shows her (possible) blueness. Sorry, she's super chubby in this one :lol: I was figuring out her diet, and accidentally made her fat for a few weeks. The little pig.

<br /><br /> __________ Sun May 17, 2015 3:20 pm __________ <br /><br /> Lol this is sorta on-topic. I have a second bun with mysterious colouring

His breeder told me he was tort, but he looks like a blue tort to me.

My roommate was kind enough to hold him for the photos. So docile! I guess because he's an ex-show bun, he's used to being handled. If I held Aglet like this, she would kick like mad and snap her spine in half.

 

[happit]

OMG I LOVE LOVE YOU LOIN HEAD OR ANGORA RABBIT :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :

 

[Romapacoff]

OMG I LOVE LOVE YOU LOIN HEAD OR ANGORA RABBIT :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :

LMAO thank you! He's a double-maned lionhead He's also an old man, so he's got these awkward bald patches on his neck and ears. Silly looking fellow.

 

[happit]

hi and I have a litter of holloand lop and loin head or angora cross and the 6weeks old and to have died and yes they have food such as timothy,calf mana,purina rabbit feed they even a salt lick for rabbit and I just started to give them mineral water but I have no clue to what killed to to?

plz help

 

[Susie570]

hi and I have a litter of holloand lop and loin head or angora cross and the 6weeks old and to have died and yes they have food such as timothy,calf mana,purina rabbit feed they even a salt lick for rabbit and I just started to give them mineral water but I have no clue to what killed to to?

plz help

You kind of need to start a separate thread for this, Happit <br /><br /> __________ Sun May 17, 2015 9:29 pm __________ <br /><br />

Is blueness in doubt? The 2nd photo seems to have the best lighting and looks blue. The lighting in the other photos is less good, but I wouldn't say she looked really black in any of them.

Could be MY lighting, but she looks black based to me. Some areas definitely look black on my screen and, afaik, you can't have black and blue on the same rabbit?

Also, don't brown eyes indicate non-dilute?

Must be broken, can't be a magpie with an agouti coat.

 

[Romapacoff]

Could be MY lighting, but she looks black based to me. Some areas definitely look black on my screen and, afaik, you can't have black and blue on the same rabbit?

Also, don't brown eyes indicate non-dilute?

I'm fairly certain she's blue. Most of the photos I posted were poorly lit - in person, her colouring is more obvious. In one photo I posted above, she's beside a broken-black. Even though she's a very dark blue, the contrast is clear.

That's interesting about eye-colour, though. The second rabbit I posted above, my lionhead, also has dark-brown eyes. I think he's a dilute as well (I could be wrong. I'm not sure how colours look on longer fur).

Maybe non-brown eyes are just preferred in dilute show-rabbits? Google helped me find some blue buns with brown eyes (examples below).

Oookay, here we go x) I went back to her fatty photo-shoot, and found another photo that helps show her possible blue-ness. God she was chubby.

 

[Zass]

I'm pretty sure the head on pics are showing me agouti marks. Earlining, eye circles and nose markings.
The dark and white magpie pattern will never appear on an agouti coat, so if that's the case, magpie can be ruled out for the cause of the patchiness.

Regular black based chestnut agoutis have a blue under color to their coats.
Hmm.

The camera makes it look really dark, but I think opal might be a possibility.

Broken, maybe dilute (I trust you can see her better than we can). silvered, agouti or otter ??


I'd like to mention that silver fox are most certainly not the only breed that can contribute silvering genes. Argents are also a common source, and THINK there are also a few breeders with silvered lops and dwarfs.

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Also, don't brown eyes indicate non-dilute?

Must be broken, can't be a magpie with an agouti coat.

:yeahthat:

Especially a good point about the eyes. A dilute rabbit will have slate blue eyes that match the coat.

 

[Susie570]

Especially a good point about the eyes. A dilute rabbit will have slate blue eyes that match the coat.

I THOUGHT that was true... but heck I'm still new at this whole rabbit color thing, so....
Where's DOOD when you need him???

I can see that she's a smokier color than I thought, both due to the better monitor I'm looking at and the better picture, but she still looks like a black base to ME, just because I do know that a black rabbit can look blue, but her shortest hairs look black (non-E??)

 

[twr]

Happit, Unfortunately I'm unable to help and you didn't post in the best place for this question so I've reposted your question under Rabbit Care and feeding->Illnesses, Injuries and Parasites in a thread called Unexplained kit deaths. Good luck.
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Some areas definitely look black on my screen

This happens on my screen too, but only in the pictures with poorer lighting.

you can't have black and blue on the same rabbit?

Normally this is correct, but very very rarely there are exceptions:

... not that I think this is relevant, I was just glad of the excuse to post these.

Also, don't brown eyes indicate non-dilute?

Most dilutes do have blue-grey eyes, but I think brown-eyed dilutes are fairly common too.

I have a second bun with mysterious colouring. His breeder told me he was tort, but he looks like a blue tort to me.

I find tort vs blue tort a tough call, especially on a long-hair but the fawn/red on his feet seems too dark for a dilute.

The silvering and agouti marks are interesting points, but I can't really make out any banding on the close-ups, just scattered white hairs that look like silvering.

So I'm sticking with weird broken blue, but attributing the weirdness to an interaction between En and silvering.

Where's DOOD when you need him???

Exactly. I've had my fun, and now I just want to know the answer

 

[alforddm]

KIT gene mutations in horses are known to cause alot of "roaning" which is white hair mixed into normal color of the coat. In fact, classic roan itself is thought to be a KIT gene mutation.

What's my point? Well Broken is also a KIT gene mutation. So, while silvering might not be common with broken patterns it still could be within the realm of possible expression.

In other words...a weird broken.... :lol: :lol:

 

[Zass]

Most dilutes do have blue-grey eyes, but I think brown-eyed dilutes are fairly common too.

Can you show me what you mean by this? An example would be nice.

I know a dilute eye color is much darker and smokier color than say a vienna blue, but I've never seen one with the dark brown of a chestnut, or even the soft brown of a chocolate's eyes.

__________ Mon May 18, 2015 6:21 pm __________

KIT gene mutations in horses are known to cause alot of "roaning" which is white hair mixed into normal color of the coat. In fact, classic roan itself is thought to be a KIT gene mutation.

What's my point? Well Broken is also a KIT gene mutation. So, while silvering might not be common with broken patterns it still could be within the realm of possible expression.

In other words...a weird broken.... :lol: :lol:

I've also heard mention of vienna being able to create a similar "silvering" (aka roaning) effect. Is that gene also a KIT mutation?

 

[alforddm]

My bet is that Vienna is a MITF gene mutation (because of the blue eyes) but as far as I know no studies have been done to try and locate the mutation. So KIT can't be ruled out.

I think it was Dood who mentioned that vienna can cause silvering.