Was this guy trying to "pull my leg"?

[MamaSheepdog]

I brought a couple of black Jr. Does to the show today for a prospective buyer who has been in mini-rex but has just gotten into Standard Rex. We had spoken on the phone, and he knows I am new to showing rabbits, and I told him that one of my primary reasons for showing was to get professional evaluations of my stock.

One 10 week +/- doe was entered in the show, as she had reached 4 pounds, and the other was only 8 weeks old and hadn't reached weight, but was the 2nd best black doe of her litter (I kept my first pick home). He posed them both, and decided he liked the 8wk old better.

Then he flipped her over and groaned "Oh no, see here where her belly button is? She has a white spot- that happens sometimes in mini-rex, and is a DQ, so she couldn't be shown..." I looked, and she had no white hairs that I could see, so I pulled out my very bright LED flashlight and shone it on the area. "Well, see, it is kind of gray" he says. I pulled out the other Jr. doe, and some of my older blacks, and didn't notice any difference. "Well, maybe standard Rex can outgrow it" says he. I suspected he was trying to get a discounted price, so I told him that in good conscience I couldn't sell an animal with a DQ, and that hopefully I would have something better to offer in the future.

I will post pics of the bunny-belly in question, but likely not until Monday at the earliest since we will be gone tomorrow... but I think this fellow was trying to swindle me out of a good rabbit.

 

[Jack]

Do you have the ARBA Standard of Perfection?

 

[MamaSheepdog]

Yes...

 

[Jack]

Per mine, the latest one, 'color less than 10 or more than 50%,DO NOT DISQUALIFY FOR WHITE SPOT IN COLORED SECTIONS<br /><br />__________ Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:57 pm __________<br /><br />Mini rex also has the "do not DQ for white spots' but it can be for 'excessive white hairs'

 

[MamaSheepdog]

My SOP is out in the feed shed right now, in one of my transport cages- but you quote "colored sections"- this was a solid black doe, not a broken. One of my standard Rex does (black) was DQ'ed by one judge for a cluster of maybe a dozen white hairs today.

However, the Jr. doe I posted about didn't have white hairs, scattered or otherwise, near the navel or anywhere else, which is why I think this fellow was trying to take advantage of a novice breeder.

 

[SatinsRule]

MSD, that's what it sounds like to me. Maybe he knew you already had another rabbit DQ'd for it and thought he'd try and take advantage of you in the process, sort of a "continuation", if you will.

And you're right. A white spot on an otherwise completely black rabbit will draw a DQ from a judge in just about any show. Per the SOP, however, the undercoat is supposed to be slate gray at or near the skin.

 

[ottersatin]

MamaSheepdog,
I wouldn't even listen, there are
many ways to try to glean a better price
that is just a new one on me!
i suppose you could have knocked a [1] Dollar off the price.
Then just jack-up the cost of the Pedigree!
Though I don't charge for the Pedigree I have seen that
many use it as a way to up the cost of the rabbit.
Ottersatin. ldtimer:

 

[skysthelimit]

MSD, that's what it sounds like to me. Maybe he knew you already had another rabbit DQ'd for it and thought he'd try and take advantage of you in the process, sort of a "continuation", if you will.

And you're right. A white spot on an otherwise completely black rabbit will draw a DQ from a judge in just about any show. Per the SOP, however, the undercoat is supposed to be slate gray at or near the skin.

Yes the undercoat should be slate gray. Next time, have your SOP ready to whip out and show anyone who has any questions.
Still, even though this guy knew minis, Mini Rex are not Standard Rex, they are not the same in body type, ear length, colors.

 

[lonelyfarmgirl]

Jack, you are quoting the color rules for broken not self. If the rabbit truly did have a white spot, then yes, she would be disqualified, but a 'maybe' grey shaded spot, no. He was trying to jack you up (no pun intended jack). The spot would have to be distinct. If there is ever a question like that and you are at a show, consult the registrar or the nearest judge before doing anything.

 

[Random Rabbit]

Ooooo-Ooooo MSD i know what he was doing.....

He was tryig to pull the wool over Your eyes...... :lol:

 

[OneAcreFarm]

Why do people feel the need to do things like this? I just don't understand those that routinely cheat or swindle others....

 

[MaggieJ]

Why? Because they are small, small people who get a boost to their shrunken egos when they "win". MamaSheepdog, you handled it perfectly, in my opinion, and you gained valuable experience. :goodjob:

 

[MamaSheepdog]

Ooooo-Ooooo MSD i know what he was doing.....

He was trying to pull the wool over Your eyes...... :lol:

:rotfl: :rotfl:

MamaSheepdog, you handled it perfectly, in my opinion, and you gained valuable experience. :goodjob:

Thank you, Miss Maggie. I was rather proud of my response.

Here is a pic of the bunny in question as he was posing her:


Here is the belly with the hair smoothed down toward her hindquarters:



Here is the fur ruffled towards her head:



You can see the area on her midline that he was referring to, but if you look at the rest of her belly, it appears to me that it depends on the lay of the hair and the way it catches the light. If you look at her elbows it is the same color. Keep in mind this is her baby coat- she is only 8 weeks and 2 days old today. At this age they all show the undercoat color on the belly, it isn't gleaming black. All the same, I am going to keep an eye on it and see if there is any change as she matures.

 

[SatinsRule]

Smart money says that it won't change at all over the span of that rabbit's life.

The guy was trying to get over on you.

 

[Frosted Rabbits]

I see some 'shading' not a white spot!!! Just watch it, it may grow out, it may not-- The Castor I have has undergone some remarkable changes over the alst few weeks-- even in coat quality!

 

[siddsaysgimmie]

It looks completely fine to me.

 

[DumansArk]

Way to go MamaSheepDog! This guy sounds like he is familiar with the "bartering" that goes on in the south.