uuummmm... is he choking??!!

[ohiogoatgirl]

i have one little chocolate dutch left from the last litter. he is about ten wks old now i think.
well i just got in from chores and he is now sitting here on my lap as i type this. he is breathing odd... i have never seen any rabbit breathe like this before. when he was in his cage he was sitting facing the wall and just didnt seem right. he is usually bright and energetic and sprawls out all comfy for naps and chillin out. but he was just laying there, on his feet though not all laid out. and he is pulling his head forward when he breathes in. so he looks like a lil toy *head forward* breath in, *head back* breath out, *head forward* breath in, *head back* breath out....

he has what looks like poop on his lower front teeth. i read that rabbits redigest their droppings at night some. well i have hanging cages but with the hay in for them sometimes there are some bunnyberries that stay in the cage a bit. but i dont know anything about it other then they do it.

so i dont know what to do... he is obviously alert and attentive and looks around if i set him on the floor. but like i said with his breathing, and the way he sits he just seems off. like he isnt comfortable. i dont really know how to explain it. and i can kinda hear him breathe, its like a lil noise between his in breath and exhale. also making me think there is something mid-throat and he is having a hard time breathing around it.

help???<br /><br />__________ Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:00 am __________<br /><br />ok more info...
he just did this teeth grinding thing.... *grind teeth*... *stick head out*... *grind teeth*.. *stick head out*...

 

[3mina]

He's not choking or he'd be gone already but he's in pain from something. That what the teeth grinding is

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

just noticed... he is opening his mouth when he breathes in. so *head forward, mouth open* breath in... *head back, mouth closed* breath out...

and seeing that his teeth are not quite straight... and he has an underbite. goshdangitbarniclefishsandwich....

i cant think of anything that could be bothering him if its not his breathing/something in his throat...

 

[Mary Ann's Rabbitry]

aww, i am sorry, But he has ammonia. Best to put him down.

 

[3mina]

Pneumonia? Yeah, sounds like it.

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

ammonia..??? as in like overwhelming urine smell...??? that doesnt really make sense. to me anyway...
or did you mean pnumonia?....
i didnt think rabbits were so soft resperatory system that they can catch pnumonia in one night. he was perfectly fine, runnin around his cage yesterday..

 

[ZRabbits]

Could be because of the underbite, he's not chewing his food correctly, asperated food into his lungs which could have cause ammonia. Poor thing. He's really hurting and the kindest thing to do would be to put him down.

Karen

eta: Not urine smell, cold. Sorry should be pnemonia. (sp) I can never get that word spelled right.

 

[Mary Ann's Rabbitry]

Or... because of his teeth not being just right.HE could have a very small piece of pellet loughed just at where the air goes into his lungs and giving him a hard time to breath and wheezing sound and some pain with inhaling.

__________ Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:20 am __________

oops, Karen you beat my post ...lol<br /><br />__________ Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:22 am __________<br /><br />They dont catch it in one night.

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

aww man D:
if i was able to take him to a vet is there medicine or things that would be able to help him? because i am going somewhere today that i could try and find him a pet home. though of course i would be warning them plenty that he has pnumonia and underbite and needs to go to the vet.
which normally i would not do but this guy is the first chocolate dutch baby i had and i've got a soft spot for him. would rather he go to a pet home if they would be able then put him down because i cant pay a vet bill.

this is what i get for getting attached to one

 

[ZRabbits]

Or... because of his teeth not being just right.HE could have a very small piece of pellet loughed just at where the air goes into his lungs and giving him a hard time to breath and wheezing sound and some pain with inhaling.

__________ Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:20 am __________

oops, Karen you beat my post ...lol

__________ Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:22 am __________

They dont catch it in one night.

Definitely not in one night. You would have seen earlier signs. I think it could be a bit of food. Especially if he so energetic yesterday.

Karen

 

[Mary Ann's Rabbitry]

I wouldnt do that. It isnt fair on the rabbit. I know it is hard. But it is what best for the rabbit. He is grinding his teeth. That is bad . He is going to pass on you anyways by the sounds of it.<br /><br />__________ Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:27 am __________<br /><br />

Definitely not in one night. You would have seen earlier signs. I think it could be a bit of food. Especially if he so energetic yesterday.

I have seen them be fine one day like this . Then in a few hours they have a hard time breathing and then they die. The signs are there before hand. But if dont know you dont catch it. THen it is to late when you do notice something. Rabbits can hide it really good at first.

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

is there anything i could do if it is a bit of food?
his attitude seems normal other then the looking uncomfortable. if i put him on the floor he hops around and stands on his back legs to look around and all.
i have goats and know plenty well that if they ACT off then something is definitely up. attitude is about half the diagnosis.

 

[Mary Ann's Rabbitry]

If it is just food stuck. It will soften over time. Other than that there isnt much you can do. Just give him hay for a few days and see if he will eat that and make sure he is drinking.

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

...*sigh*... really was hoping there would be something i could do... but i understand when there isnt anything. this is probably gonna be as hard as having to put out that week old bun...
i'm going to give him the day. keep an eye on him and if he doesnt get better or if he seems worse then i will do what needs to be done.

 

[ZRabbits]

...*sigh*... really was hoping there would be something i could do... but i understand when there isnt anything. this is probably gonna be as hard as having to put out that week old bun...
i'm going to give him the day. keep an eye on him and if he doesnt get better or if he seems worse then i will do what needs to be done.

Tough when you have to "wait and see". I'd stick with hay and water as Mary Ann suggested, and keep a close eye on him like you stated. Hoping it passes, but I'd still be concerned with the underbite. If it does pass, it could happen again. Broke my heart to give up Rubeus because of his jaw issues. I get attached to the ones I choose real fast. But I did what was best for a pet. The breeder took him and he became meat as he was intended. A life of teeth problems, vet visits, might be ok for some people, but I just can't see putting a bunny through that. A kindness can be truly a hard thing to do. I've learned quality of life is so much better than quantity. Now that was a truly hard lesson to learn.


Karen

 

[Bad Habit]

...*sigh*... really was hoping there would be something i could do... but i understand when there isnt anything. this is probably gonna be as hard as having to put out that week old bun...
i'm going to give him the day. keep an eye on him and if he doesnt get better or if he seems worse then i will do what needs to be done.

Tough when you have to "wait and see". I'd stick with hay and water as Mary Ann suggested, and keep a close eye on him like you stated. Hoping it passes, but I'd still be concerned with the underbite. If it does pass, it could happen again. Broke my heart to give up Rubeus because of his jaw issues. I get attached to the ones I choose real fast. But I did what was best for a pet. The breeder took him and he became meat as he was intended. A life of teeth problems, vet visits, might be ok for some people, but I just can't see putting a bunny through that. A kindness can be truly a hard thing to do. I've learned quality of life is so much better than quantity. Now that was a truly hard lesson to learn.


Karen

Yeah, I would be worried about the underbite as well. It would be very hard on him if he does have improper teeth, especially if you send him to a pet home, as you would never be able to assure he would get the proper care he needs. Sometimes it is tough, but you always have to make the right choice for the pet.

 

[LindseysWoolies]

With an underbite they need constant trimming or their teeth will just keep growing until they can't eat. That is no life for a rabbit. The best thing to do is put the bunny down. It won't be fun but what if the new owner neglects it or breeds it and just produces more rabbits with underbites?

 

[ohiogoatgirl]

took him with me today and he was okay but i could tell he wasnt getting better. he lost energy over the morning. just got home and as i took him out of the carrier and set him down, about to put him back in his cage, he started having seizures. in about twenty seconds he was dead.... now i feel a bit upset with myself for not putting him out this morning.

 

[ZRabbits]

took him with me today and he was okay but i could tell he wasnt getting better. he lost energy over the morning. just got home and as i took him out of the carrier and set him down, about to put him back in his cage, he started having seizures. in about twenty seconds he was dead.... now i feel a bit upset with myself for not putting him out this morning.

So sorry to hear. Hugs.

Karen

 

[MamaSheepdog]

Poor little guy! Sorry, OGG.