URGENT! LOL - Rabbitosis Aquirosis question...

[Comet007]

What would you get if Shaggy, my New Zealand Broken Red buck were to meet up with a foxy Blue Rex? I get the half Broken, half solid - I'm just wondering if I might get some little blue babies. Is it possible for a NZR to carry a recessive dilute gene? Or I should say, is it likely at all? I know that people are working on bringing in the NZ blue rabbits, just not sure how they're going about it.

 

[CDiana]

http://www.ephiny.net/tim/pedigrees/color_calc.php maybe this link can help answer you question. I went to this link earlier after i saw it on the rabbit talk link section.

 

[Zass]

I would say no, not at all likely, and the better red he is the less likely it is.
I have seen dilute crop up in NZ black and white lines.

 

[Comet007]

Well, I definitely don't want another buck. Our does are broken black, so maybe more possibility if we got a blue buck, but Shaggy is King for right now! Thank you!

 

[Dood]

As a red rabbit Shaggy is agouti based (not self) and you will get chestnuts (black agouti) if crossed to a self blue.

If he does carry dilute you would get some opal (blue agouti) as well as chestnuts.

If he carries self (but if I recall he only had red in his pedigree so the chances are slim) you might get blacks or blue if he carries self and dilute.

 

[Comet007]

As a red rabbit Shaggy is agouti based (not self) and you will get chestnuts (black agouti) if crossed to a self blue.

If he does carry dilute you would get some opal (blue agouti) as well as chestnuts.

If he carries self (but if I recall he only had red in his pedigree so the chances are slim) you might get blacks or blue if he carries self and dilute.

There is a possibility that he carries self - he has two white rabbits in this Dad's line that we can see (great grandparents, both sides), and also he had a white littermate. I think that means that there is a possibility that he carries the self gene.

This is one of the things that causes us the most angst, lol. We really want him to have that little recessive self gene so that it expands our fun color options, but now we're all in love with this darn rabbit! When we brought them home we said if he didn't have it we would likely replace him with another buck down the road a bit. Now we think it would mean we need a second buck!

It's odd, because we also went into this saying we would replace on of the girls pretty much as soon as possible, because they're litter mates and can only give us pretty much the same litters - and we are still having no problem with that, even though we enjoy them as well. Shaggy is just such a lover and we really like how gentle he was with the girls during breeding, but not shy at all.

 

[Random Rabbit]

Solid white or " c " means the Albino gene is there...not that the rabbit might carry self. The small c gene is like throwing a white blanket on the rabbit... it hides any other coloring.
a solid white can also hide the broken gene as well....( we have an all white doe that bred to a solid color buck... always has a few brokens in the litter )

Two brokens... can give... 1/4 solid 1/2 broken and 1/4 charlie... All fractions are approximate only.

 

[Comet007]

Solid white or " c " means the Albino gene is there...not that the rabbit might carry self. The small c gene is like throwing a white blanket on the rabbit... it hides any other coloring.
a solid white can also hide the broken gene as well....( we have an all white doe that bred to a solid color buck... always has a few brokens in the litter )

Two brokens... can give... 1/4 solid 1/2 broken and 1/4 charlie... All fractions are approximate only.

Sorry, I was still on my first cup of coffee when I wrote this! I got my series backwards! LOL!

I meant... the girls share the same father as Shaggy, and they are broken blacks, which means their mother and father both carried a self gene, and so Shaggy might possibly carry the recessive self gene.

We know the girls carry the both copies of the self gene, and that they carry the recessive c gene - But both are still in question for Shaggy, but are possibilities because [a] Shaggy's dad sired some blacks and [c] because he had a white litter mate.

I should know better than to go off the top of my head with genotyping, because my brain doesn't hold the info for some reason - which is why I have my Rabbit book that I put together!! Thanks for reminding me!

 

[Dood]

I meant... the girls share the same father as Shaggy

Then you should get broken and solid
chestnuts
reds/fawns
blacks
torts
and whites

That's quite the rainbow

 

[Zass]

I fear you may be in trouble. The specific type of rabbitosis your suffering from isn't exactly aquirosis, but it is co-morbid with it.

I'm afraid you are showing symptoms of Lagomorphal Pigmentation Productionitis.

If we lived closer, I'd probably try to sell you a pair of rabbits that can produce 13 distinct colors. :twisted:

 

[Comet007]

I meant... the girls share the same father as Shaggy

Then you should get broken and solid
chestnuts
reds/fawns
blacks
torts
and whites

That's quite the rainbow

Don't some of those colors go away if Shaggy doesn't carry the recessive self gene? I thought that if he doesn't then we will only get chestnuts and reds, plus whites if he carries the recessive c gene?

Where does fawn come in, I don't have that one down in my possible genotype list? That sounds great, plus I'm really hoping for some torts lol - but doesn't that require the recessive self gene? <br /><br /> __________ Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:54 pm __________ <br /><br />

I fear you may be in trouble. The specific type of rabbitosis your suffering from isn't exactly aquirosis, but it is co-morbid with it.

I'm afraid you are showing symptoms of Lagomorphal Pigmentation Productionitis.

If we lived closer, I'd probably try to sell you a pair of rabbits that can produce 13 distinct colors. :twisted:

Yep, I think I have this - even though we're just going to eat them all lol. I did get one of our extra cages with baby saver wire :roll: in case we decide to work three does instead of two, though in reality even then we would probably just breed two at a time and rotate one off each round - or even more likely just bring in a second doe from a different line. Plus now, MAYBE a second buck if Shaggy doesn't have that recessive gene! When we get to the point of holding back a doe we plan to lower the large breeding cages down a bit, and there's room for three or four smaller cages above them.

Well, with the way we will be expanding our edibles on the property, we need the fertilizer, and need the worms for the chickens next year anyway!

 

[Zass]

Yep, I think I have this - even though we're just going to eat them all lol.

Ahh, us bunny eaters can suffer from this worse than anyone.
See, we don't have to worry about producing un-showable or un-sellable colors

 

[Comet007]

Ha-ha, so true! We just want them to be cute and grow out in a reasonable time frame! I am getting a little more intrigued with natural feeding, probably because we are working on the garden and planning a lot of edible landscaping. Once we get that growing well, we might actually need to be breeding three does, with a faster breed-back and cycling one doe off each round, or the same breed-back and breeding all three each time to allow for slightly slower growth rates. That's as good an excuse as any to have more variety!

 

[Dood]

Correct but if both parents carried self then there is a 75% chance he got it

Fawn and red (and orange ) are genetically nearly the same except red rabbits are supposed to have two wideband genes that make them look like selfs (red belly fur etc...) It's impossible to tell if your two black does got the gene so you could get fawns instead of reds.

 

[Comet007]

I will take 75%! Fawn would be good, and we do still have the option of getting another red doe from the same breeder if we want to keep the red strong, and get fawn colors from the other doe. Oh, the possibilities! Hopefully in just a few weeks we will be able to fill out their genotypes a little bit more - today is 12 days from breeding!