Trying to figure out hidden C gene recessives

[Jamielrh]

Can you help me figure out these colors so i can properly identify my Doe's & Bucks hidden recessive so I can know their full Genotype?
So, I just had 2 different does kindle last week, 1 day apart.
#1: Chestnut(false dwarf) x Tort(true dwarf)
#2: Sable(true dwarf) x Sable(Possible Siamese Sable? Unknown Dwarf)
The larger kits are from the first pairing and they are 1 day older than the small kits.
I have no question about the colors of the chestnut and the tort, but I'm not sure on the Sables.

 

[Jamielrh]

Here are the parents. What are the sables?
Also, I think that will be the Chestnut's last litter with us. She has only thrown ginormous kits. She wouldn't have Mini Lop Mix in her, do you think? She only came with a partial pedigree. She's about 6 lbs. Can the huge babies be shown as Mini Lops if they have the body type and fit the criteria? Her two previous litter's kits were really big as well.

 

[ladysown]

looks like a bunch of sable points. You might have some low rufus torts... but for the most part they look like sable points.

 

[RabbitsOfTheCreek]

You breed false dwarfs?

 

[Jamielrh]

Not on purpose. Well kind of on purpose. You hope for more true dwarfs, but it's a gamble. It's a way to have less kit mortality. Breeding two dwarfs results in 25% Peanuts that are double for the dwarf gene and they always die. Also having a "normal" or false dwarf sometimes helps the mother carry them better and have less complications in kindling. If you breed a "Normal" to a true dwarf, you will get 50% true dwarfs and 50% false dwarfs. They are all still Holland Lops, but are usually on the bigger side because they don't carry the gene.

 

[MsTemeraire]

You breed false dwarfs?

In some breeds the false dwarf does are the best for breeding, very valuable.

 

[Jamielrh]

So one of my questions is, how do you tell a Siamese Sable from a reg Sable Point? I know one of those is a Frosty, because of the white inside his ear and the black ear lacing, but is there a chance that the other big one might be a Sallander? What are the tale tale signs to look for there? Mom is AaB__CcchdDdEe and Dad is aaB__C__Ddee. So if he is a Sallander it gives me no answers, but a Sable Point would show that he has a hidden cchl as a recessive.