Something other than heat is killing them...

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Ok, went out this morning, before it was even hot out, to move the pens to fresh grass.
Found a Cali kit that was acting like it was semi-paralyzed. It could move it's head some, but everything else was limp. Green liquid and grass from it's mouth, like the others who I thought died from the heat. It was very weak, didn't make noise or move unless I wiggled it too much. Very pathetic attempt at a scream, this batch of litters are all screamers, and it made noises like a human 'eh'.
There's no way this is heat, how can it be if it wasn't even warm yet when it was in that condition?
Anyone have ideas on what the heck is going on?
They were all litters on the grass, so nothing new since they first got out of their nests a month+ ago. They are on the small side, but their main food is the grass under their feet with pellets given for dinner.
They all seem fine until I find them dead, this is the first that wasn't. I've had adults pant and have a wet mouth, saved them and changed things around. None of the adults have heat issues anymore. All pens have two water crocks, tons of shade, water refilled with cold well water 3-4x a day, grass wet down, tarp wet down. The frozen water bottles only last 2 hours, maybe 3 on a nice day, I really don't see how they help much at all. I don't have a walk in freezer for 100 bottles.
 
I'm sorry. I think if I had multiple kits who died, I'd have a necropsy done to find out if it is the heat weakening them, or if there is something bacterial, fungal or viral going on. I think the cost would be worth it if you then know what you are dealing with and can then take action to correct what is going on.
 
Do they have salt spools?
What brand of pellets?
Maybe there are biting insects - no see ums - that they are having to get immunity to.
Maybe the type of grass - is not a fibrous type - not enough fiber, seed for next year with a beneficial grass.
 
No salt because they get pellets. My yard is mixed grasses and weeds, not just manicured 'lawn.'
 
ChickiesnBunnies":3v2b54jr said:
No salt because they get pellets. My yard is mixed grasses and weeds, not just manicured 'lawn.'
With mine - When it started getting hot, I was still feeding straight pellets w/ hay. I was going the pet route (at first) so they ended up with store hay racks, the jingle bells with wood blocks, and mineral salt spools - since I did not know what was really needed. Even with 'just' pellets, they hit those salt spools several times a day. Since your rabbits (with grass) do not have the need for as many pellets as mine did, they are not getting the initial salt mine did. I would not hurt to try. A mineral salt block is $5 or less and if the rabbits truly do not need it, your horses or sheep might have an use for it. You might see if someone would let you have a chip off of theirs, just to see if your rabbits have an interest. I would lay odds that they will.
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With the ones that are off, many people have success with electrolyte solutions. This is the result of a search on this board.
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I have a random pet spool lick somewhere from a cage set I bought, I'll hang it in their pen.

Hm, I don't recognize the Milkweed. They are over plants I know they can eat. One pen is over a weedy plant with little purple flowers, the two adult does in there mowed it down fast! But they are still around and it was the only plant I didn't know.
Here's the flower on it. But you'll notice the rest of the plant is not in the pic, I'll get one with the whole plant later. Have the horse vet coming out soon to worry about not...
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There is a tomato seedling in the lower right next to the clover. If they have been eating a lot of those that may have poisoned them.

The larger rabbits will have to consume more of a given plant to have ill effects- it is the ones with smaller body mass that will be affected first.
 
Next to the water droplets? You guys said that was wild carrot 1st year growth...so..sure. But that plant isn't growing around where the rabbit pens are. They are in the pasture or over the old gravel drive that's now covered and growing grass...
 
Yup. Sure looks like a tomato plant to me. Maybe you can transplant one to your garden and see what it matures to?
 
I have some wild tomato plants growing, but always read they are poisonous, so usually I mow/tear them out.
Vet office called and said it might be clover poisoning for my horse, so I have to pick up some betamin or maybe it was Banamine and see if it helps. But I realized I know where the place is, been there before when I found 2 stray dogs. So I'll stop by tomorrow instead and get pics in a few today.

Maybe I am confusing that little plant with the thinner leafed one...hm...
 
Banamine is for pain- is your horse showing signs of colic? I hope your horse will be okay!
 
The plant that MSD thinks is tomato could be a young common ragweed plant.
http://www.ppws.vt.edu/scott/weed_id/ambel.htm
Frosted Rabbits feeds young common ragweed plants to her rabbits with apparently no ill effects. I don't worry if a bit gets in with their greens, but I don't seek it out because I have not researched it enough.

It is definitely NOT Queen Anne's lace aka wild carrot (Daucus carota). Wild carrot leaves look and smell like domestic carrot. In fact, garden carrots were developed from wild carrot. If the leaves and stem do not smell carroty when bruised, then it is not wild carrot.
http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/cro ... carrot.htm
http://www.weedinfo.ca/en/weed-index/view/id/DAUCA

The blue flower on the left looks like chicory (Chicorium intybus). If you post a good picture of the whole plant I can confirm it for you. Chicory is an excellent rabbit food.
http://www.ppws.vt.edu/scott/weed_id/cicin.htm
http://www.pfaf.org/user/plant.aspx?Lat ... um+intybus
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=CIIN
 
Yup, I have all three on my property. Wild carrot in the front yard, Ragweed in the backyard and pastures. The Chicory mainly in the backyard.

Is the Ragweed safe?
I went out to get pics, but looking at the links, that's what they are.

__________ Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:17 pm __________

Ok, first pic is of the Tomato, other side of the fence has some little tomatoes growing. Possible the ducks n chickens have already eaten off this side...idk
2nd is the Ragweed? Grows tall and bushy here.
3rd is a plant I keep forgetting and keep wishing the critters could eat! Comes out easily, so much of it! No animal eats it?? It grows 5-6ft easily.
tomato.jpg

ragweed.jpg

weed1.jpg

weed2.jpg
<br /><br />__________ Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:30 pm __________<br /><br />
Chicory.jpg

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