Smoke Pearl?

[volz83]

I just got this doe from a good friend. She got this doe from the original breeder whom said she was a smoke pearl. The first issue is, her eye color is brown, no mistaking it. This doe, if a real smoke, is for a side color project, trying to get more smokes. I have my Siamese Sable buck (not sure if he carries dilute or not) to breed her to. I am only going off of pics from the internet but she doesn't really look like a smoke.. more like a blue tort? I could be wrong but I'll see what you guys think!

Her sire is a blue tort whom is out of mostly torts with one sable point in the pedigree
Her dam is a seal whom is out of a Frosty and Chinchilla with an opal, sable point and another chin in 3rd generation

Here she is:

Thanks!

 

[Dood]

It's a very tough call with the pictures and being a broken doesn't help

My first impression is a darker blue sable and not a blue tort :shrug:

Even if she is a blue tort she must carry sable, himi or REW from her mother so crossed to a siamese sable buck should produce some sables who will carry blue and a buck crossed to mom or a sister should get smoke pearls

 

[DBA]

Looks a lot like my buck, his pedigree papers show him as Steel Blue, silver tipped.
His site was broken chestnut agouti, his dam was steel blue silver tipped.

Here is a pic of him.
I will say he doesn't look AS dark in person as he dors in the pic.

 

[Celice]

Looks kinda like a sable lilac? or just a light black sable

 

[volz83]

Thanks everyone I think she may indeed be a smoke pearl, no ticking in her fur, no tan color to indicate blue tort. I just got her bred yesterday with my Siamese Sable buck so hopefully the kits will help identify moms color ^_^

 

[Susie570]

Looks a lot like my buck, his pedigree papers show him as Steel Blue, silver tipped.
His site was broken chestnut agouti, his dam was steel blue silver tipped.

Here is a pic of him.
I will say he doesn't look AS dark in person as he dors in the pic.

I swear, I'm going to go nuts on the gray color stuff. Your buck looks like my buck, who (we recently decided) is a 'broken blue chinchilla'... or not. Just a couple of quick questions for you, are the insides of his ears light or dark? What color are his eyes?

This is my boy

<br /><br /> __________ Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:37 pm __________ <br /><br /> You can see how much different lighting affects his color. Sometimes it looks like there is a tan cast to it (top) other times not (bottom)

 

[DBA]

His eyes are dark, I think black. The insides of his ears are very light.
Your buck is very nice looking.

 

[ladysown]

that buck does not look like a blue chin. Blow into his coat and see if there are rings.

The original doe looks like a smoke pearl to me. Not quite blue, and not quite anything else.

 

[Susie570]

Ok. Finally did see rings in the coat. That settles it. He's a broken blue agouti. Right?? o.0

In some places I don't see a 'ring', I see fur that's dark at the bottom and gradually lighter to the white tip.
Other places, I do see the 'agouti' rings.

 

[ladysown]

i find that curious.

A blue chin looks completely different. A blue chin looks...if you can imagine it.. like a chestnut agouti.. just replacing the brown/black with a BLUE/grey colour.

this rabbit (the buck) doesn't look like that.

I wonder if he just has an odd ball coat... (which you can get when colours are mixed).. genetics being the fine things that they are.... I'm just curious.

And I am so NOT a colour or genetics expert....