Okay first Palomino's are not chocolate based reds, they are black based fawns. What is called 'Lynx' in Pals is actually a blue fawn. This was very apparant when we(me and my color guru buddy) went over to see my friends new Pals, of which she has about 6, one of which is a Lynx. I was expecting chocolate, instead it was another one of those stupid lets call it this even though thats not what it is situations. I also have bred reds to fawns, and my friend has bred her pal doe to a NZ, so I can tell you what has occurred in those two situations. First off reds, oranges, fawns are all the same color, divided only by name and amount of rufus. Rufus is cumulative, meaning that you can add to it by breeding redder rabbits together, or decrease it by breeding to lighter fawn animals. I've bred Thriantas to a lighter fawn rabbit, and it took three generations to bring down the rufus to what I'd call orange. But thats a really red rabbit. In the case of the Pal outcross the NZ buck they used was a chestnut who carried non-extension, they used him because he was a very aggressive breeder and the Pal doe would not allow the Pal bucks to breed her. They got fawns and chestnuts. Kits so far look very fawn, no smut on their ears yet, have to wait to see how they turn out. This buck that they used has produced very weak colored reds in the past, I saw one of them, definite fawn with dark ear lacing, could probably have passed for a smutty Pal. All of my friends pure Pals vary in depth of color, I think they are wide band, but there are paler and more orangey ones. She was talking about letting her Lynx buck go, too bad your not closer.