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I can be you cheering section. :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: You can be like a super hero to all those hot bunnies. :pinkbunny: :pinkbunny: :pinkbunny: :pinkbunny: :pinkbunny:
But really if you come come up with a plan use it to help yourself and your rabbits. Why not make some money. :money: now off I go to find more cavebunny ice bottles.


Oh MSD do you think there is a market for Albino bunnies? Oh wait I all ready have New Zealand Whites. They will probably enjoy cavelife.
 
Absolutely brilliant! :p I will have to think about this, and how it could be applied in my hung cages.

Never imagined that individual bunny A/C units were possible... and affordable to run!

MamaSheepdog":rsx44jm5 said:
They'll never see it coming!!! :mrgreen:
:wr_wall:

:wr_shake:

:ban:
 
Miss M":tanptr8f said:
MamaSheepdog":tanptr8f said:
They'll never see it coming!!! :mrgreen:
:wr_wall:

:wr_shake:

:ban:

:p And MSD goes "Politically Incorrect" once again! :p

But hey... I'm blond and I tell blond jokes, so my PI-ness is non-biased in scope!

:cry: Please don't ban me. :cry:

I would have to move to another IP region and sign myself up under another user-name. *Sniff!*

(And don't think I don't know that that wouldn't fit right into your nefarious plan to get me to Louisiana.)
 
I recognize the parts, but the technical aspect is waaaay over this country girl's head. I'd love to see it assembled and working in a bunny environment... Fascinating stuff! I'm in agreement with the others, no reason why you shouldn't make a spot of cash off of your hard work. Heck, if it works really well patent it! The gent that came up with J feeders is making a killing now that they're so widely used... His idea started out like yours!
 
we used to just run a second hand swamp cooler, worked great in Cali
seen in Rabbit Production the use to well pits in Vietnam and 'culvert burrows' in AZ as a way to moderate the heat.
 
MamaSheepdog":3bjsw86k said:
(And don't think I don't know that that wouldn't fit right into your nefarious plan to get me to Louisiana.)
:eek: What? Me?

(Nuts... she saw through it. Have to think of something else.....)
 
A major issue is the corrosive environment of a rabbitry
I had a fan, in an insulated rabbitry, and it didn't last between the fur and moisture/ammonia...
 
Thanks, folks. As far as making money on this, rabbits and electronics are just hobbies to me. My motivation to turn it into a job is really low. Rabbit meat has so far turned out to be the second most expensive meat for me to procure. Dove being the most expensive per pound. Then again, I have no plan to quit hunting dove either. Of course, rabbits have a good potential to eventually pay for themselves.

I also think that as long as you're reasonably comfortable, you should give something back to society. Open source and the public domain are some of my outlets to do that.

I don't have my camera with me, but I found a good divider to separate the hot and cold sides of the peltier. It's an old Windows 98 CD. The aluminum layer reflects heat and the plastic will act as a moisture barrier. I cut a rectangle out of it with a dremmel tool and glued it to the heat sink. I'm using JB Weld there, so the cost is going up. It's looking like maybe $11.00 to $12.00 so far.

I'll post more pics and try some field tests of the mini air conditioners soon.

For those who have wire cages, I'd suggest going with my original plan to make a cooling block and attaching it to the cage. In that case, a piece of sheet aluminum can be glued to the cold side of the peltier, using the thermal epoxy. I might make a prototype of that later.

For now though, I'll continue to focus on cooling small enclosures as inspired by paradox's idea.

:)
 
TMTex, that is very kind. I rely on a number of open-source software programs, myself, and I am grateful to those who make them possible and available.

Jack":21frs7q4 said:
A major issue is the corrosive environment of a rabbitry
I had a fan, in an insulated rabbitry, and it didn't last between the fur and moisture/ammonia...
Very good point...

TMTex, I know it wouldn't be as efficient, but do you suppose using the heat sinks without the fans would work well enough? It used to be done on some low-end computers (maybe it still is), so that's why I wonder. That way, the heat sink would just have to be brushed or vacuumed off now and then, but there would be no moving parts.
 
I don't know if AL is ok or if it was corroding, or if it was Zinc, just remember one of them was
 
LOL - I wish we could all just get in a room actually physically together. I bet we could sort this out and have a working prototype for both my cave system and a traditional cage system in no time! Here is my question TMTex. You mentioned putting the unit on the side of the cooler box about halfway up. My boxes are burried except for the lid. If I scoop all the dirt out I lose some of my insulating factor on the boxes which are not actually old drink coolers. I ran out of those and have four "caves" that are just like rubbermaid tubs only thicker. Can we fit it in the lid or does that make it lose functionality?

Second question and forgive me if this is stupid - the condensation that drips from it is pure water right? No danger of chemicals or anything that would hurt the buns? If so then why worry about draining it? Hot glue a small crock below it to catch the drippings and you have a backup water source that they can't tump over.

Also to Grumpy - you ARE doing great with your swamp cooler! That is an awesome project! We talked about trying to make some swamp coolers (did a small 5 gal bucket one to test) and the plan was to use flexible hose to pipe the air into our caves. But the high humidity here causes problems for swamp cooler systems and we just were not sure it would work so we tabled the idea for later. But I bet in dryer climates that would be AWESOME!
 
The great thing about them is that one can reverse the current to change it form a heater on one side to a cooler. That way to change applications, one doesn't have to physically turn it around. The biggest problem with it (as far as coolers are concerned) is that they have a large area, and if the are thermostatically controlled, they lose a lot of heat (or cold) across the panel because you can't insulate it.

They are basically a solid state device, similar to a panel of diodes or transistors. We used them back in the 70's in military avionics. I don't know if they have fixed the problem or not, but because the individual crystal lattice junctions in the panel vibrate, they would vibrate themselves out of the matrix material after a few years. They are great for drink coolers (or warmers) in a vehicle, because one has a large supply of current available, and the inability to insulate them is not a serious concern. If it wasn't for the vibration problem, the insulation problem, and the poor efficiency, they would have take over for heating and cooling for houses a long time ago.

I haven't followed them once I got out of the military. They may have fixed the efficiency and crystal vibration with them. Actually, the used to make regular coolers with these panels on one end that plugged into one's (formerly) cigarette lighter socket in a vehicle. Don't know if they do anymore.
 
was there any new posts on this idea? I can see a few ideas for this. Did you find what kind of load is placed on the system when you place a heat source on the cold side? like a rabbit or aluminum pan?
 
TMTex, I am amazed and awed by your follow up post and pics. I actually understand it now!

As I am a wire cage gal, I will wait patiently for your work on a wire cage version.

Oh, I shall be going through my old electronics looking for parts :)
 
grumpy":2o8jtwl4 said:
:lol: I thought I was doin' good with the water cooler. :lol:

It sounds very intriguing. But how will it be applicable?
How 'large' will the unit/units be?

Keep us posted on your progress...you may be developing
a completely new type of cooling for rabbitry's on a large scale.

grumpy.

You're doing great with the water cooler, grumpy! We tend to have very high humidity here or I'd use a swamp cooler too. Your modification gives it much more cooling capacity.

I think the peltiers would be kept small and for a single cage/hutch. If you wanted to cool a larger area with high humidity, you could just mount a window unit.



Jack":2o8jtwl4 said:
A major issue is the corrosive environment of a rabbitry
I had a fan, in an insulated rabbitry, and it didn't last between the fur and moisture/ammonia...
Jack":2o8jtwl4 said:
I don't know if AL is ok or if it was corroding, or if it was Zinc, just remember one of them was

Ammonia is alkali (ph around 11) so it can be neutralized with an acid. You need a ph of 7 to be neutral. Vinegar is acidic (ph of around 3). I use white vinegar in my rabbit run where the urine collects. Moisture is a bigger problem. If you had zinc and aluminum, the zinc would act as a sacrificial anode and would corrode pretty quickly in a moist environment. The upside is that the corroding zinc would protect the aluminum.

I don't think anything can be done about the fur though.



Miss M":2o8jtwl4 said:
I know it wouldn't be as efficient, but do you suppose using the heat sinks without the fans would work well enough? It used to be done on some low-end computers (maybe it still is), so that's why I wonder. That way, the heat sink would just have to be brushed or vacuumed off now and then, but there would be no moving parts.

Sure, it can be used without the fan. The cooling capacity might be diminished somewhat, but as long as the hot side doesn't get hot enough to burn itself out, it should work fine.



paradox":2o8jtwl4 said:
LOL - I wish we could all just get in a room actually physically together. I bet we could sort this out and have a working prototype for both my cave system and a traditional cage system in no time! Here is my question TMTex. You mentioned putting the unit on the side of the cooler box about halfway up. My boxes are burried except for the lid. If I scoop all the dirt out I lose some of my insulating factor on the boxes which are not actually old drink coolers. I ran out of those and have four "caves" that are just like rubbermaid tubs only thicker. Can we fit it in the lid or does that make it lose functionality?

Second question and forgive me if this is stupid - the condensation that drips from it is pure water right? No danger of chemicals or anything that would hurt the buns? If so then why worry about draining it? Hot glue a small crock below it to catch the drippings and you have a backup water source that they can't tump over.

Actually, after looking at your intro, we might be neighbors. Grab your hubby and I'll grab my wife and we can meet up somewhere.

Putting the coolers on the lids should work fine. I was only thinking of a cooler set up as a room with an opening around the middle. Being on the side would allow for vertical air flow through the fins, but the air would still flow if it was on the lid.

You're correct that the water would be distilled and the drippings could probably be used as water for the bunnies.
 
Actually, after looking at your intro, we might be neighbors. Grab your hubby and I'll grab my wife and we can meet up somewhere.


LOL well "central Texas" is still actually a larger area than most states. Wouldn't it be hilarious though if we were just right down the road? I'll send you a pm with my location.
 
This is a fascinating thread! :clap2: My Inner Geek :nerd: is shouting "w00T!" Oh wait, I have no Inner Geek, it is ALL out in the open! :lol:
 
Here's what I found to use as a moisture barrier and separator between the hot and cold sides. I knew Win98 was good for something. ;)





After cutting a hole with a dremmel tool, I glued it onto the heat sink. I used JB Weld for stability and a small bead of clear silicone sealant in the little space between the peltiers. I used a little bit of heat shrink to clean up the wires. The fan and peltier wiring is separate so I can run the cooler without the fan when I don't need it.



All I need now is the cold side heat sink and an enclosure to mount it into. The doe's nesting rooms would work, but they have kits in them. Don't want to cool them too much. Maybe I'll add a cooler or something to my main buck's hutch.
 
:popcorn: Let me know when you have tested your prototype. I am waiting patiently to see if we have a new project to do!
 
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