Newb question again E-series

[user4482]

I've been trying to understand how the various genes influence colour but am a bit lost on the E-series other than Es is the most dominant followed by E.
My opal buck is from a rabbitry that closed, his mother (GB/NZ) had been sold off before I saw her but was described as White with Grey patches the father was a darkish grey colour that I assume is steel (based on a pic I have of him) and both obviously carried dilute to produce my opal buck.

I am assuming that the variegated White-Grey doe was en, but how does that work with other recessives such as ee? I recently acquired a White Gb/NZ cross that has dark eyes and looks slightly off colour on its face and ears as if it tried to push through something dusty and got its face slightly dusty. I am assuming this doe is chinchilla ee (if Ive read the various info sites properly)

So how would the ee(?) work with en(?) that the buck carries?

 

[TF3]

I'm a newbie too

I think you are mixing up two loci.
The E series is
E- full extension
Es-- steel
ej-- Japanese harlequin/brindling
e-- non extension

The EN series is applicable only to solid or broken pattern.
EN EN Charlie
EN en Broken
enen solid

In the E series, E is dominant, but Es mucks with it in ways beyond my knowledge
ej is next in line and can cause brindling when under E, as in Eej
eje or ejej will harlequinuze the colour/coat, best visible on agoutis
e is recessive to all the others, only noticed as ee

__________ Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:31 pm __________

I'd say the grey w/white patches doe was ENen (broken) but that has nothing to do with her E series (extension). The grey on her would possibly be blue which would be the dilute. The 'grey' buck could be steel, could be chin...

The white with smudgy grey would maybe be a frosty? Which would have to do with the C series, cchd or cchl?

Your buck would be enen (solid), and if the doe isn't broken then kits would be enen. <br /><br /> __________ Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:41 pm __________ <br /><br /> Your opal buck is possibly:
A_ B_ C_ dd E_ enen
(Agouti, black based, full colour, dilute, full extension, solid)

Your doe might be (if frosty)
A_ (any B) (cchd or cchl)_ (any D) ee enen

So you can work the colours on those genotypes if they are decent guesses... :lol:

 

[Dood]

En is NOT part of the E-locus but is a seperate colour locus for English Spot pattern which is more commonly referred to as "broken" and creates white areas over all other colours, including steel or fawn or or harlequin or tort :cheesysmile:

 

[user4482]

Where do I find the info as everywhere I have looked has listed E Es ee ej ect and I cant find out anything at all that is useful (even after a few 4am mornings) and I have no way to work out what to expect if I bred the opal buck (who is from darkish agouti buck that she described as steel and the variegated doe) bred with the black eyed white (that had a variegated grey-white brother and chin siblings)

I really wish that there was a decent reference book on it all because the internet is full of pictures of what is supposed to be the same colour but none of them the same and some so different that I wonder if they have put wrong label on the pic.

Anyone know of a proper reference book for all the geno's and pheno's because I'm getting to a point where I'm starting to wonder whether its worth keeping any of them at all.

 

[TF3]

Three Ladies Rabbitry (or three little ladies)
The Nature Path
Have great primers.

Type in 'list of rabbit colour genotypes' and you'll get lots of basic lists.

 

[Dood]

I think part of the problem might be the different terms used in Canada and the USA verses other countries.

Ive never heard of a "variegated" colour in rabbits :shrug:

The genotype for your Opal is A_ B_ C_ dd E_ he cannot carry steel as it is dominant and if he inherited the gene from his father he would be a steel Opal

We call black eyed whites "frosty" or "ermine" and the genotype is A_ B_ cchd_ D_ ee (or A_ B_ cchl_ D_ ee)

You don't say if she is a black, chocolate, blue or lilac frosty so I will assume she's a black - breeding these two togeather will produce Chestnuts (= A_ B_ C_ D_ E_) and possibly other colours if they carry any recessives