Those are Champagnes, the doe's grandma went best of breed at the nationals I was told. The red ones are a Red New Zealand buck and a Red Broken New Zealand doe. She is not quite white enough to be a "good show rabbit" but should throw some nice ones. The buck is red all of the way, but should throw some nice variety when crossed on the broken doe. I had to go to North Carolina to find them. They came from a breeder there, and are related to rabbits from the other breeder there, if that tells anyone anything without naming names or anything. I picked up a red trio for some folks from out toward richmond. The two does were littermates of our buck. One was a foot stomping nut, but the other one seemed cool. The other peoples buck was more or less unrelated. He had ears that flopped over a little bit at the top but he could straighten them out if he wanted, is that normal?