thanks guys. they come from an unrelated breeding line. Non related, purebred stock in this breed can be hard to find. They are a nice pair. Buck lacks in the hind quarters and squares off. He has nice shoulders. Head is a bit snipy in the front. The doe has low shoulders. She just came off a litter of eight. So I am going to give her a break before i breed her. She looks good for having a litter of babies. She does quite have the finish in the lower hind quarter that I would like to see either. I have rabbits I can breed them to that will fix those faults. They have really nice looking coats. Nice clean ring color. i am going to breed the3 buck to a doe tonight. I plan on showing the doe in two weeks, so hopefully i will have decided who to breed her to by then.