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GetYourGoat

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Bought an eight week netherland dwarf doe on Saturday and has been doing really good (I thought) but this morning her droppings seem to be stuck together and in clumps and suddenly right now she can't walk and is really wobbly. Any help as to what this is/what I can do for her would be much appreciated!!
 
That's not good! :(

Could she have eaten anything (such as a houseplant) while she was running around? Simple poopy butt is one thing but combined with not being able to walk and having the wobbles makes this sound much more serious.

Is she eating and drinking? We really need more detail about how you have been caring for her and what she is doing now in order to help you.
 
Thanks for the reply..

She's been kept in her cage that has timothy hay, her feed (pellets the breeder gave me), has been drinking water. Picked her up earlier and she had a piece of hay in her mouth so I'm guessing she's eating? She wouldn't have eaten anything while running around (needs to be kept under strict supervision when out, too many cords in my house). I've been bringing her out the last few days with the top of her cage so she can eat the grass...she was munching on dandelion leaves yesterday. The grass isn't treated, fertilized, etc at all.

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I wouldn't be surprised if she was stressed with the move (and my fourth month old kitten has been too curious...but she hasn't seemed to mind and would happily be eating and drinking in front of the kiten). But don't know if that would make her wobbly??
 
Wry neck is certainly a possibility.

The thing about rabbits is that stress brings any hidden problems to the surface rather suddenly. I'd keep the kitten (who is stunning, btw) well away from her for the next while. Maybe put the rabbit's cage in a quiet room by herself.

Do you know what plants she may have eaten outside? There are not too many weeds that could cause poisoning that could result in these symptoms, but it is always best to be sure of what your rabbit has been exposed to.

Keep her well hydrated and encourage her to eat. You may need to syringe a slurry of kitchen oatmeal and/or pellets into her if you find she is not eating. Is she still pooping and peeing?
 
Has she been eating her pellets? Is she a good weight, too fat or too thin? An overfed rabbit might not eat its cecotropes (wet poops all stuck together that are a normal part of rabbit digestion - google them and you'll know if that is what you've been seeing) and you'll find them stuck all over the cage and on the rabbit if she steps or sits on them. I don't think that would make her wobbly, though. Is it possible she's much younger than you were told? Do you normally give her greens? I ask because dandelion definitely can cause loose poops. Other greens can have very different results. I would stop feeding anything but hay and pellets for a while with a small amount of oats, maybe a spoonful a day if she'll eat them. Dry breakfast oatmeal (plain not the kind with all kinds of preserved fruits and stuff) works fine. Oats and hay tend to help their digestive system get back to normal and keep things moving inside. I hope she recovers.
 
I looked through the wry neck symptoms and I'm really not sure...She seems to be having trouble holding her head up...

MaggieJ":2q9moqwv said:
Wry neck is certainly a possibility.

The thing about rabbits is that stress brings any hidden problems to the surface rather suddenly. I'd keep the kitten (who is stunning, btw) well away from her for the next while. Maybe put the rabbit's cage in a quiet room by herself.

I'll definitely do that

MaggieJ":2q9moqwv said:
Do you know what plants she may have eaten outside? There are not too many weeds that could cause poisoning that could result in these symptoms, but it is always best to be sure of what your rabbit has been exposed to.

Nothing other than grass and a couple of dandelions...

MaggieJ":2q9moqwv said:
Keep her well hydrated and encourage her to eat. You may need to syringe a slurry of kitchen oatmeal and/or pellets into her if you find she is not eating. Is she still pooping and peeing?

I just got water and tried to get her to drink it, but that didn't get very far (I ended up putting her on her back and trying to drip the water into her mouth...think she got a couple of licks...) She was eating just earlier today..probably the last thing she would've eaten was a dandelion leaf. She hasn't pooed or peed for a while now...ever since I first noticed this about an hour ago...

arachyd":2q9moqwv said:
Has she been eating her pellets? Is she a good weight, too fat or too thin? An overfed rabbit might not eat its cecotropes (wet poops all stuck together that are a normal part of rabbit digestion - google them and you'll know if that is what you've been seeing) and you'll find them stuck all over the cage and on the rabbit if she steps or sits on them. I don't think that would make her wobbly, though. Is it possible she's much younger than you were told? Do you normally give her greens? I ask because dandelion definitely can cause loose poops. Other greens can have very different results. I would stop feeding anything but hay and pellets for a while with a small amount of oats, maybe a spoonful a day if she'll eat them. Dry breakfast oatmeal (plain not the kind with all kinds of preserved fruits and stuff) works fine. Oats and hay tend to help their digestive system get back to normal and keep things moving inside. I hope she recovers.

She has been eating her pellets and seems a good weight to me (I can feel her spine, but it's not super sharp or anything). Overfeeding might be one thing for the cecotropes (I did manage to figure that out after a while ^_^) as I've just let her have a bowl of pellets. I don't think she's younger than what I was told, the breeder seems up to snuff with that sort of thing and she's a decent size.. I don't normally give her greens other than what she grazes when she's outside (and she has access to the timothy hay and pellets). I'll try to get her to eat some oats. <br /><br /> -- Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:00 pm -- <br /><br /> I called the breeder who doesn't know what it could be...she suggested going to the vet...I'm just a little wary of that as I've heard of people bringing rabbits to the vet before and coming home with a $2000 bill :/
 
Eight weeks old... if she had never had greens before coming to you, then the grass and dandelions could be part of the problem. Kits that have access to greens from the very beginning develop the gut flora they need to digest them, but older kits giveng sudden exposure to greens may eat more than they can handle. But although that might cause poopy butt or diarrhea, this sounds like something more.

Unless you know a vet with lots of rabbit experience (perhaps the breeder can suggest one) then it may be worse than useless to take the rabbit to one. They tend to reach for the antibiotics, from what I have heard from others who have gone that route, and there are few antibiotics that rabbits tolerate well. Expensive too...

I'd give the rabbit grass hay and kitchen oatmeal and the plants I suggested if you can find them. That an water. If you are force feeding or syringing fluids you must be very careful that the rabbit does not aspirate the food/water.

-- Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:22 pm --

Oops! Just realized that the useful plant information was posted in a different thread, so I've copied and pasted it for you here.

If you can get any of the following plants, they are all safe for rabbit food and good medicine against diarrhea:

- raspberry, strawberry or blackberry leaves
- the lawn weeds plantain or shepherd's purse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantago_major
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsella_b ... a-pastoris

These plants work fresh or dried and it is a good idea to have some on hand for these situations.

IThese plants may or may not be growing yet where you are, but if you have green grass and dandelions then perhaps you can find them.
 
The breeder told me she could eat greens, just no carrots or apples yet..

I called up a vet that does rabbits and asked them about pricing...they even said on the phone that depending on what it was, I'd probably need to buy medication for her and it isn't cheap..I'm still umming and arring about that.

She won't eat or drink anything right now, still hasn't moved etc. <br /><br /> -- Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:24 pm -- <br /><br /> o_0 my profile should be listing my area? Greater Vancouver area, BC, Canada
 
GetYourGoat":mev90ao3 said:
I called the breeder who doesn't know what it could be...she suggested going to the vet...I'm just a little wary of that as I've heard of people bringing rabbits to the vet before and coming home with a $2000 bill :/

This may sound cold, but it is a lot less expensive to buy a new rabbit than take one to the vet... and if it isn't something she can get over with home treatment, she wouldn't be a good candidate as the start to your breeding program.

I would give her a hot water bottle to lay against if she wants to. You can fill a glass jar or bottle with hot water and wrap it in a towel or put a sock over it so it wont burn her.

Instead of plain water, I would give her electrolytes. You can make it easily yourself.

homemade-electrolytic-solution-t14844.html

You will notice that molasses is recommended over plain sugar- if you have some, giving her a couple of drops of straight molasses wouldn't hurt either. It will boost her energy and may stimulate her appetite.
 
MamaSheepdog":3ruxrw6w said:
This may sound cold, but it is a lot less expensive to buy a new rabbit than take one to the vet... and if it isn't something she can get over with home treatment, she wouldn't be a good candidate as the start to your breeding program.

Sounds reasonable, not cold. I'll make her some of the electrolyte water, thanks for that link.

Update: I just cleaned out her cage in case there was something there...and noticed orange pee :?
 
GetYourGoat":2j8cp5d0 said:
Sounds reasonable, not cold.

:)

GetYourGoat":2j8cp5d0 said:
Update: I just cleaned out her cage in case there was something there...and noticed orange pee :?

That is perfectly normal- rabbits pee in a veritable rainbow of colors and consistencies. When they are shedding excess calcium the urine will be chalky.
 
Okay, I've put a hot water bottle near her and made her a little blanket of an old t-shirt. I made up sugar/salt water and fed some to her with an eye dropper. I think she swallowed a little bit...I'll repeat often until she's back to normal. Cleaned the cage and just waiting for it to dry before I can put her back inside and move it to a quiet kitten-free zone.

Will keep update of her progress here, thank you everyone for your help!

-- Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:19 pm --

So...breeder says that she would take the doe back, but no refund ($130 rabbit we're talking here) and she will never sell to me again -_- I've had dozens and dozens of pets, rabbits included, I k ow how to care for animals. Ugh. <br /><br /> -- Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:32 pm -- <br /><br /> :cry: RIP Penelope
 
GetYourGoat":28ejzkle said:
:cry: RIP Penelope

I am very sorry you lost her. :(

GetYourGoat":28ejzkle said:
So...breeder says that she would take the doe back, but no refund ($130 rabbit we're talking here) and she will never sell to me again

Words fail me. :angry: I can understand the no refund policy as once the animal leaves the premises the breeder has no control over the care... but to never sell to you again? :shock:

This breeder sounds like they have a "pet" mindset when it comes to rabbits. Most volume breeders look at rabbits as livestock, whether they are bred for show or meat, and wouldn't consider veterinary care an option let alone "punish" you for not consulting one.

I hope you will be able to find healthier stock soon. :clover:

When you do find another breeder, try to get a couple of does and a buck (or better yet, two bucks) from them. It is much better when starting out to have animals that are somewhat related to limit genetic surprises.
 
With such a fussy breeder and such an awfully expensive rabbit I'm wondering if you signed any kind of contract that specifies the breeder's responsibility to sell you a healthy rabbit. If you did and that is included in it I would seriously consider having the rabbit necropsied by a vet to determine cause of death and then sue for payment of the vet bill and a refund of your $130 if it turns out the rabbit was unhealthy or if death was caused by greens the breeder told you were ok.
 
arachyd":1f9yom77 said:
With such a fussy breeder and such an awfully expensive rabbit I'm wondering if you signed any kind of contract that specifies the breeder's responsibility to sell you a healthy rabbit. If you did and that is included in it I would seriously consider having the rabbit necropsied by a vet to determine cause of death and then sue for payment of the vet bill and a refund of your $130 if it turns out the rabbit was unhealthy or if death was caused by greens the breeder told you were ok.

I didn't sign any contract though she said if I had the rabbit autopsied and found it was a disease, she'd give me the money back (but not pay for the process or anything). Weighing up the costs, I didn't think it would be worth it.
 
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