Need Help With Some Colors on new litter

[Desert Rose Rabbits]

So, I ended up with some very unexpected colors in this litter, and just want to make sure I've got my head on straight. Sire is a BEW Satin Dam is a Broken Chestnut (though upon closer examination, I think I may have found a spot of red on her which would explain some things) poss. a Broken Tri.

Anyways, I'll attach some pics and list what I think they are, and if you guys could let me know where I've gone wrong, I would appreciate it! Also, on any that are, in fact, tri, what colors are in those? Thank you guys! Also, I apologize if my terms aren't quite right, please correct me. I'm still slipping a lot of rat genetic terms/colors in :S

Kit 1: Broken Tri


Kit 2: Self Black


Kit 3: Chestnut Agouti. Toying with the possibility of it being broken. In the 2nd picture it looks like the chestnut has spotted down the back left flank.



Kit 4: Broken Tri


Kit 5: Self Black. Toying with broken. If you look at the toes, it looks like the black doesn't extend all the way to the tip of the toes, and the genitals look to have some white spots.


Kit 6: Self Black. Toying with broken. If you look at the toes, it looks like the black doesn't extend all the way to the tip of the toes, and the genitals look to have some white spots.


Kit 7: Self Black


Kit 8: Broken Chestnut Agouti



Kit 8: Broken Tri

 

[ladysown]

i don't see those kits ...8, 6, or 5 being broken.

If they have a small bit of white on them they'd be vienna marked.

I also don't see the "tri" on the tricolours. they look like broken blacks (or castors). Tris look different at this age.

kit four looks like a broken castor same with kit one.

looks like a standard litter of broken castors, castors, broken black and black. (castor being what you call chestnut agouti). I"m just thinking rex colouring.

 

[ckcs]

I concur with ladysown. Do tri's develop the brown later as I don't see any? I think I see a brown spot on the head of the second broken one that you listed as tri. Have you sold babies from this pair before? I'm curious as around here those broken blacks will sell really quick and the chestnuts really slow. Always bums me as my main buck is a chestnut and he leaves a replica in every litter. I love the way he looks but they are not very popular here. Fortunately I've only gotten 1 in each litter.

 

[Dood]

My tri's did not develop the fawn colour later and were quite obviously tri colors at birth and were actually more orange than black.

The ones you believe to be broken tri's seem to have way too much black but I did see a spot of orange in one picture - time will tell

I believe the selfs are not broken and I think you are just seeing skin and agouti/chestnuts all have white bellies. Any white spots could be Vienna marks but I don't see it in these photos.

Getting minimally white brokens AKA booted brokens is rather rare and from the other brokens in the litter it looks like neither of the parents are predisposed to produce them.

Could you post a couple pics of the parents? All the kits will carry Vienna from the BEW parent and it is very odd that none of them have any of the typical Vienna marks.

 

[Desert Rose Rabbits]

I concur with ladysown. Do tri's develop the brown later as I don't see any? I think I see a brown spot on the head of the second broken one that you listed as tri. Have you sold babies from this pair before? I'm curious as around here those broken blacks will sell really quick and the chestnuts really slow. Always bums me as my main buck is a chestnut and he leaves a replica in every litter. I love the way he looks but they are not very popular here. Fortunately I've only gotten 1 in each litter.

This was the first breeding from these two, so I have no idea how they sell. I also primarily breed for my table and the colors are just added fun. I know that when I've talked with the pet store that buys from local breeders anything with a broken pattern sells first, then their solids will go. I very rarely see them with chestnuts.

My tri's did not develop the fawn colour later and were quite obviously tri colors at birth and were actually more orange than black.

The ones you believe to be broken tri's seem to have way too much black but I did see a spot of orange in one picture - time will tell

I believe the selfs are not broken and I think you are just seeing skin and agouti/chestnuts all have white bellies. Any white spots could be Vienna marks but I don't see it in these photos.

Getting minimally white brokens AKA booted brokens is rather rare and from the other brokens in the litter it looks like neither of the parents are predisposed to produce them.

Could you post a couple pics of the parents? All the kits will carry Vienna from the BEW parent and it is very odd that none of them have any of the typical Vienna marks.

Yeah, I'm beginning to wonder if what the camera was picking up was leftover formula from when my husband was feeding them and didn't get it all off. :? Either way, they're adorable.

Dad: Sold to me as a BEW Satin, but the longer we have him, the more red I see in his eyes as he gets older *shrug* When we first brought him home, the blue was VERY apparent, but now he looks red with blue in the iris... *shrugs* I'm just plumb confused! No species should have this many color variations with so man names!



Mom: I'm going with lightly marked broken chestnut agouti. She has more markings on her right flank in the chestnut agouti. There's a section on her neck that looks to be losing the agouti bands on the hair shaft. It's sorta visible in the pic. I also figure broken vs. charlie as if she were a true charlie, she would produce charlies, and not brokens, correct?

 

[Dood]

The buck is definitely a red eyed white (REW) his baby blue eyes may have been caused by him being dilute or chinchilla or BEW under the white coat but I would expect at least a few of the kits to have Vienna marks if he has two (or even one) of the vienna genes.

The doe looks like a broken chestnut with a lot of white, often called 'false charlies'. If the doe was a true Charlie and had two broken genes then all the kits would get one of then and be broken.

 

[Desert Rose Rabbits]

The buck is definitely a red eyed white (REW) his baby blue eyes may have been caused by him being dilute or chinchilla or BEW under the white coat but I would expect at least a few of the kits to have Vienna marks if he has two (or even one) of the vienna genes.

The doe looks like a broken chestnut with a lot of white, often called 'false charlies'. If the doe was a true Charlie and had two broken genes then all the kits would get one of then and be broken.

Most excellent, Dood! Thank you! Buck was throwing me for a bit of a loop because the red in his eyes is getting darker and darker. When we brought him home several months ago, his eyes were more blue than red. Kinda freaked me out!