Mini-project....?

[skysthelimit]

That was a good job. You and me gotta talk about paint programs

Yes it is allowed. You don't need peds to show, it just needs to be close enough to the standard of a recognized breed to go on the table.

 

[MamaSheepdog]

Sounds like a fun project Kyle! But then, I'm a BIG fan of brokens!

When are you going to pick up the doe?

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

Thank you, Skysthelimit!

Mamasheepdog, I will be driving out tomorrow to get her, the gal lives about an hour away. I keep telling myself to put only one box/carrier in the car, I'm going for JUST ONE RABBIT but she has a rainbow of cuteness available......................we'll see if I can resist.

But yeah, tomorrow afternoon!!! I'm fairly excited...I didn't have time to prep a cage for her tonight so I'll be busy tomorrow, LOL.

 

[SarahMelisse]

Hahaha! I'm glad you liked it. I just used a comic strip maker app on my iPad. Sadly there aren't any decent free photo editors for the iPad and I use the comic strip maker for everything but.

I need another hobby... I mean breed.

 

[Bad Habit]

That was a good job. You and me gotta talk about paint programs

Yes it is allowed. You don't need peds to show, it just needs to be close enough to the standard of a recognized breed to go on the table.

I was told you had to have a full pedigree?

 

[Devon's Mom Lauren]

Kyle if you use selfs like black or chocolate you WILL get silvering in the first generation. The silvering gene is co-dominant. It would be a matter of a couple generations to get the BROKEN modifiers where you want them really! Also I totally disagree that a Champagne looks anything near like Chinchilla! As a side note the Champagne silvering has been added to Netherland Dwarfs to get the Champagne Nethies going on a COD!

 

[Dood]

I was told you had to have a full pedigree?

I was told that as well but after some recent research I found that it is not needed for ARBA shows.

There is nothing in the rule book about needing a 3 generation pedigree or about being purebred. You can enter any rabbit, including cross breds into a breed category and if the judge thinks they meet the breeds SOP then they win, regardless of parentage.

Coming from a dog showing background, I find this a bit alarming. I would be pretty upset if my supposedly purebred Chinchilla started having non-chinchilla coloured kits or if every kit in the litter was a different body type or weight because of a mandolin shaped ancestor. But I guess enforcement would be a problem so we must rely on the Honor system.

 

[MamaSheepdog]

Bad Habit,

you need a three generation pedigree with all purebred ancestors meeting the appropriate weight range in order to register a rabbit. I'm not clear on whether they need to be an accepted color though. Hopefully one of our more experienced show breeders can answer that question.

 

[Kyle@theWintertime]

I was told you had to have a full pedigree?

I was told that as well but after some recent research I found that it is not needed for ARBA shows.

There is nothing in the rule book about needing a 3 generation pedigree or about being purebred. You can enter any rabbit, including cross breds into a breed category and if the judge thinks they meet the breeds SOP then they win, regardless of parentage.

Coming from a dog showing background, I find this a bit alarming. I would be pretty upset if my supposedly purebred Chinchilla started having non-chinchilla coloured kits or if every kit in the litter was a different body type or weight because of a mandolin shaped ancestor. But I guess enforcement would be a problem so we must rely on the Honor system.

This is one reason I won't use any solids from my broken experiment with my pure Champagnes...I don't want introduce genes into them that might pop up in future litters, or gods forbid from kits bred from animals I've sold. :x I know how upset I would be if I got a "suprise!" from my Champagnes, I will never visit that disappointment on anyone else!

To help keep them all separate, I will have a dual tattoo system so I can identify crossbreds at a glance, so they will never "sneak" into the Champagnes.

Kyle if you use selfs like black or chocolate you WILL get silvering in the first generation. The silvering gene is co-dominant. It would be a matter of a couple generations to get the BROKEN modifiers where you want them really! Also I totally disagree that a Champagne looks anything near like Chinchilla! As a side note the Champagne silvering has been added to Netherland Dwarfs to get the Champagne Nethies going on a COD!

Really??? That is VERY cool! My plan is to hold back one of the does from this Charlie's first litter, grow her out, then cross her with my Champagne buck and hope for the best!!! I'm hoping it'll be three litters or less before I "win the lottery" and get a kit who gets silvering AND broken patterning from that future doe. From there on in...type, type, type! I'm a sucker for a cool "paintjob" but pretty colors do not a quality rabbit make.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees a difference in Champagnes and Chinchillas. Don't get me wrong, Chins are lovely, LOVELY critters and were on my "short list" when choosing the right breed for me...........but I'm stuck on Champagnes and couldn't be happier about it.

 

[skysthelimit]

I'm not clear on whether they need to be an accepted color though.

Yes, the rabbit needs to be free of DQ's so it cannot be an unacceptable color.<br /><br />__________ Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:04 am __________<br /><br />

Coming from a dog showing background, I find this a bit alarming. I would be pretty upset if my supposedly purebred Chinchilla started having non-chinchilla coloured kits or if every kit in the litter was a different body type or weight because of a mandolin shaped ancestor. But I guess enforcement would be a problem so we must rely on the Honor system.

That is the one thing that bothers me about rabbits.

 

[Frosted Rabbits]

I am not sure how prevalent it is on this side of the US, but I have been made aware of something happening with AmChins on the west coast-- someone has introduced non-AmChin genetics to 'improve' their stock for show purposes-- and people bought supposedly pure stock, and are finding surprises in their nest boxes.. this is NOT ethical, in the least.

yes, I have Marsha-- Half AmChin. IF I ever find an AmChin male for her-- I will not be selling her offspring-- they have to remain part of MY breeding program until the genetics are, essentially, as close to 100% as I can make them. The person who informed me of the problem, opened her program and imported genetics into her closed herd- because she had a size issue-- and started finding temperaments, colors and brokens in her nestboxes. She knows that she could improve her herd without having done that-- but she wanted faster results- and is now paying the price. She is also not comfy, I believe, with her ability to increase genetic Diversity within a closed program.
There are reasons why many of us choose 'heritage' breeds of our species-- and it stinks the ability to preserve a breed is being ruined because someone wants ribbons... Doing so also affects the breed status within ALBC--

I won't get another Irish Setter-- too many genetics from Greyhound, Poodle, and Afghan Hound in them now-- those genetics introduced late onset PRA, OCD, ankylosing spondylosis(due to structural incompatability). the noses are not good, the brain cases small and snipey, higher incidences of malocclusion-- why? Ribbons!!! I am hoping I can find 'cleaner' gene pools for my rabbits. But then, Manx cats with neural tube issues are really rabbit-cat crosses....