Making pedigree papers

[LadyKarli]

How do you get pedigree papers for your babies when you sell them? I have the parents pedigrees & want to sell the babies with papers. Is it better to sell with or without tattoo?

 

[lostcreekrabbits]

I'm pretty interested in this too, we recently got some Pedigreed NZW and when the time comes I'm wanting to sell the kits w/ papers

 

[MamaSheepdog]

You need to tattoo them prior to selling and put the tat # on the pedigree, and you should also list the color and senior weights of the ancestors. One of our members, AZ Rabbits, has a variety of record keeping forms that you can download and print, including pedigrees. Here is the link to that page on his rabbitry website:


http://www.azrabbits.com/useful-informa ... eping.html

 

[Secuono]

You can use KinTraks and just put in all the info, then just print the pedigree. You don't need a tat, but it may help, especially if the buyers or you do showing, then it's needed.
Having weights is also nice.

 

[lostcreekrabbits]

Ok, so this might be a dumb question but, since the doe and buck are pedigreed then the kits are automatically good to go provided a pedigree form is filled out correctly, I always assumed there was some "higher power" that needed to give the go ahead :lol:

 

[Frosted Rabbits]

no=== no higher power-- just a good code of ethics!!! EVERY animal has a 'pedigree' Just whether or not it is known or accurate is the issue! Pedigrees that supplu senior weights, Birth and death dates, colors, 'legs' and championships also provide a wealth of information for further use by the serious breeder. I actually have, in my rex database-- the colors of a couple littermates of the rabbits I have- those pedigrees are named and numbered-- and when I plug in the names of the rabbits I DO actually have, the genetic potential for offspring colors Shows a lot more than if I dod NOT have those relaed animals in my archives!!! Pedigrees are nice!!!-

 

[MamaSheepdog]

I always assumed there was some "higher power" that needed to give the go ahead :lol:

You need the "Higher Power" to register a rabbit- they need to be examined by a registrar and meet the breed standard, and if they do the pedigree is formally recorded and a registration number is tattooed in the right ear.

A pedigree is simply a written ancestry- regardless of the breed or breeds involved. The term purebred is rather loosely used, but I believe that a rabbit is generally considered to be "purebred" if no outcrossing to other breeds has been done in the last 3 generations.

 

[akane]

I use kintraks. Keeping track of everything when my rabbits sometimes number 50 some would be a nighmare with paper or just spreadsheets. Even my mutts have pedigrees I just have to include breed as a space since they aren't all the same. I've also sold some with partial pedigrees where I didn't know the doe or bucks full ancestors if any. A pedigree is whatever information you have. For registration of a show rabbit though weights and color of ancestors (along with other info) are required which some do not record on their pedigrees making it impossible for people down the line to register.

 

[IronManRunner]

I use kintraks. Keeping track of everything when my rabbits sometimes number 50 some would be a nighmare with paper or just spreadsheets. Even my mutts have pedigrees I just have to include breed as a space since they aren't all the same. I've also sold some with partial pedigrees where I didn't know the doe or bucks full ancestors if any. A pedigree is whatever information you have. For registration of a show rabbit though weights and color of ancestors (along with other info) are required which some do not record on their pedigrees making it impossible for people down the line to register.

Why would someone record a pedigree and not record all needed information? If I sell a rabbit to Joe Buyer, can't he just rip it up and make a new one, or fill in missing branches (if one of the parents isn't pedigreed)? This whole pedigree business seems very elusive, I've been debating back and forth to start buying pedigreed stock, but since my uses are mainly just meat (I have not yet dabbled in the shows), I've been reluctant to. Does anyone take pictures with their pedigrees?

 

[MamaSheepdog]

Ironman,

sadly, yes, the pedigree is only as good as the integrity of the breeder. This is true for all pedigreed animals.

My main focus is also meat production, but having pedigreed stock opens up more options for sales to 4-H kids or people interested in showing. Even if I had meat mutts I would pedigree them, simply so I could track which crosses performed better for my purposes.

 

[akane]

Yep with rabbits the papers are only as good as the breeder.

 

[skysthelimit]

Does anyone take pictures with their pedigrees?

I have pictures, and I can and will print them out and offer them with my peds if wanted. I believe their is a function in Kintraks for printing pedigrees. I have a paper book and electronic records, that way, when i forget to print stuff out, I can at least write it by hand.

 

[IronManRunner]

So when buying rabbits, how do you know if the person didn't just join the ARBA go out and buy cheap or mix purebreds together and lie about their lineage, and then fake a pedigree off of their own herd of 3+ generations (or just 1 generation)?

And how do people show unpedigreed/unregistered rabbits if they could possibly be mixed somewhere?<br /><br />__________ Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:12 pm __________<br /><br />So when buying rabbits, how do you know if the person didn't just join the ARBA go out and buy cheap or mix purebreds together and lie about their lineage, and then fake a pedigree off of their own herd of 3+ generations (or just 1 generation)?

And how do people show unpedigreed/unregistered rabbits if they could possibly be mixed somewhere?

 

[skysthelimit]

So when buying rabbits, how do you know if the person didn't just join the ARBA go out and buy cheap or mix purebreds together and lie about their lineage, and then fake a pedigree off of their own herd of 3+ generations (or just 1 generation)?

And how do people show unpedigreed/unregistered rabbits if they could possibly be mixed somewhere?

You don't. First you don't even need to join the ARBA for any of these activities, not to show, breed or have pedigreed bunnies. You don't even need to register your rabbits either. Yes they can fake a pedigree. Rabbits don't need pedigrees to show, they don't even need to have a pure bred animal, it just needs to look pure enough to be shown, since they are shown on phenotype alone, not genetic inheritance. You could conceivably, breed mixed breeds and if they look enough like a recognizable breed, show them in that breed. You can cross breed, and when one of the breeds is off the 3 generation pedigree, the offspring is considered a pure breed, with a pedigree. I have unpedigreed mini rexes, I can breed them until I have a pedigree. I can cross them with anything else I have, and later breed them back, and several generations later have pure bred mini rexes again.

In my case, Rexes are hard to fake, because of the distinctive fur. No matter what it was crossed with, if it has the Rex fur, it's a Rex, whatever the pedigree says. I had some rabbits I was told were NZ. Two does were BEW. Now I realize they either weren't pure NZ or they weren't NZ at all, but if I believed they were, and they looked like it, and I bred the pedigree to three generations, they would have been NZs.

 

[akane]

You can show any rabbit that matches the breed. It doesn't matter if it's mixed or has no pedigree so long as it looks like the breed it can go on the table. With rare breeds there often is a similar more common breed somewhere in the background. If you breed mutts enough as that breed for 3 generations then they are considered that breed. However to get the type down so that they truly match the breed and get anywhere at shows is going to take you far more than 3 generations and anyone who knows their breed and has done their research is going to see a mixed or poorly bred rabbit easily. They just won't stand up to quality and will get kicked off the table or not sold. After seeing a few pedigrees you can usually spot faked ones as well unless someone claims their own rabbits created that rabbit which is a risk.

Pretty much everyone has a story about being a newbie and making a bad purchase.

 

[AnnClaire]

I personally like Global Pedigree Project (dot) com ... with the depth of the database, that program caught a mistake on a pedigree I entered which allowed me and the breeder to get together and verify the correct ancester and a proper pedigree issued to me. As it was my first, from the breeder, pedigree purchase, I was very thankful that such an error was caught and corrected before I showed up at an ARBA for registration with an incorrect pedigree

There is a free trial and I love to browse the breeds I am interested in to see who has new babies and new colors :bunnyhop:

 

[A&amp;BRabbitry]

Unfortanetly the pedigree is only as good as the rabbits listed on it. If you pedigree doesn't show any proven winners with ideal weights and known ancestory it is just a piece of paper. Me personally own purchase known bloodlines, this can sometimes be anywhere between 50- 250 dollars but with the quiality of stock you from these rabbits you will win shows sooner, sell your rabbits for more, and make it a much happier rabbitry. All you have to do really is check on national show placing and sweepstakes points for specialy breed clubs. I raise lines of Fortney, Crawford and Mangione NZW's AND Byerly and Schiller Californians.