Is there such a thing as a broken blue eyed lionhead?

[jimmywalt]

Is there such a thing as a broken brown (blue eyed) lionhead?

What would you call this one? Her hair is brown/white and her eyes are blue.

Thank you.

 

[akane]

The chinchilla gene can make blue-grey eyes. Younger animals often have more blue to their eyes.

 

[jimmywalt]

The chinchilla gene can make blue-grey eyes. Younger animals often have more blue to their eyes.

Okay, but what would you call her? A "Broken Brown, blue eyed, lionhead"?

Thank you.

 

[Dood]

She looks like a broken chocolate and they tend to have lighter eyes

I'd call her a "single maned broken chocolate"

I don't think her eyes look blue but if they are but just not getting picked up in the photo it is likely the Vienna gene causing it (are there any blue eyed whites in her pedigree?) I'd call her a "single maned, Vienna marked broken chocolate"

 

[jimmywalt]

She looks like a broken chocolate and they tend to have lighter eyes

I'd call her a "single maned broken chocolate"

I don't think her eyes look blue but if they are but just not getting picked up in the photo it is likely the Vienna gene causing it (are there any blue eyed whites in her pedigree?) I'd call her a "single maned, Vienna marked broken chocolate"

Thanks Dood. No pedigree, so we don't know. But her eyes sure do look blue compared to a BEW lionhead that we have.

 

[bantambunnies]

What are her parents' colors?

On my computer her eyes look blue-gray and her fur looks like it could be a darker blue... but that may be just my computer. She does look like a chocolate.

If her eyes really are blue and not blue-gray, then she could definitely be a VM. Even if neither of her parents are BEW or VM, if they are both VC (Vienna Carriers) they could produce a VM.
If that's the case, then I would call her a Broken Chocolate VM.

 

[akane]

It would only take 1 vc parent to create a vm offspring. The genetics of the 2 are identical as far as we have the knowledge for. A vc and vm both have 1 vienna gene. Some just show it and some do not. Crossing any combo of VC and VM parents can give you BEW.

 

[JessicaR]

looks like a broken blue to me with blue grey eyes. :shrug: When I was breeding BEW and VM's if the VM was broken it always looked like a Charlie. I realize though not all broken VM's are marked the same , but I never had one with that much color on it.

 

[Zass]

looks like a broken blue to me with blue grey eyes. :shrug: When I was breeding BEW and VM's if the VM was broken it always looked like a Charlie. I realize though not all broken VM's are marked the same , but I never had one with that much color on it.

I also thought it kinda looked like a broken blue. Maybe it's just the light?
Is there anyway you could get a pic up with really good lighting?

 

[Prisma]

Just looks to me like blue gray eyes you typically see in dilutes. But it is possible for a vc/vm/bew to produce a broken with blue eyes, a broken whatever its base is vm, and it is possible for them to be carriers so a broken vc. Often times people forget about the Vienna gene still having influence on brokens, just because it doesn't look like it if it came from a possible carrier it could be too. The white brokens have often hide vm's you would typically find on solids as well IF they are found to be vc's or suspected vc's because of a slight variation that's odd in pattern but not enough to designate as a vm (some just have weird patterns in brokens and are not vm's though). Very cute bunny though!

 

[bantambunnies]

It would only take 1 vc parent to create a vm offspring. The genetics of the 2 are identical as far as we have the knowledge for. A vc and vm both have 1 vienna gene. Some just show it and some do not. Crossing any combo of VC and VM parents can give you BEW.

You are right... I guess I wasn't thinking clearly about it when I wrote my post.

 

[Twobirdsfarm]

Just looks to me like blue gray eyes you typically see in dilutes. But it is possible for a vc/vm/bew to produce a broken with blue eyes, a broken whatever its base is vm, and it is possible for them to be carriers so a broken vc. Often times people forget about the Vienna gene still having influence on brokens, just because it doesn't look like it if it came from a possible carrier it could be too. The white brokens have often hide vm's you would typically find on solids as well IF they are found to be vc's or suspected vc's because of a slight variation that's odd in pattern but not enough to designate as a vm (some just have weird patterns in brokens and are not vm's though). Very cute bunny though!

I totally agree. On my computer I see broken chocolate and the blue/gray eyes. She could very well be showing the Vienna gene and you just can't tell because she already has the broken pattern. Then the blue/gray eyes are your only clue since you don't know her lineage. If her eyes stay that color when she's a bit older, I would call her a Broken Chocolate w/VM

- TBF

 

[Bad Habit]

Here are the eyes of 2 of my blue eyed white does... Your rabbit's eyes do not look that blue in the photos(both of these were taken without flash, the top one on a sunny day in the shade, the bottom on an overcast but bright day.)

 

[jimmywalt]

Thank you. I'll try to take some more pictures under better lighting. <br /><br /> __________ Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:22 pm __________ <br /><br /> Here are some better pictures. It's hard to see the blue of the eyes though........

 

[jeannie]

Outside lighting best shows the color. This picture was taken in the morning (before the high sun made them squint) while they were in the "play area" in the yard. The blue really shows up then ... try that. We may be able to better see if they are blue, blue-grey, or mixed blue.