Is there a Dutch colours for Dummies site ?

[HOWsMom]

I've looked at some of the links in other posts - not sure if I have the brain power to actually understand any of it at all ! It reads like gibberish.

Bug4H wants a Dutch rabbit, the kits are not born yet, so I'd love to just play around with what tiny understanding I can gain of genetics to see what the possible kit colours will be. <br /><br /> __________ Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:42 pm __________ <br /><br /> The breeder we are in touch with has bred :

Tort to harlequin
harlequin to harlequin
black to black

 

[akane]

Have you read the links in the stickies?

 

[HOWsMom]

Have you read the links in the stickies?

I'm working through them.
Some seem breed specific - Mini Rex or Angora, etc.
I'm trying to find sites specific to Dutch.

I found this : http://www.verlannahill.com/Dutch%20Rab ... netics.htm
Not from the links, just from dear ole' Dr. Google

 

[Dood]

For an "Oreo bunny" you only want black to black

Harlequin is new to Dutch and I don't think it's recognized yet

A tort to a harlequin will produce more harli and possibly some torts

Harli to harli will produce harli and possibly fawn (Orange) or tort with Dutch markings.

The tricky thing with Dutch is to only get the white on the showable areas to prevent disqualification and it's possible all the kits in a litter are pet quality due to mismarks


Just did a quick check and it's not yet recognized

More info on correct Dutch markings - http://www.dutchrabbit.com/articles/mar ... rcles.html

 

[HOWsMom]

So, we hope we'll get a kit out of the Black to Black litter.

I am having a hard time finding genetic info on the harliquin.

 

[ZachsRabbits]

Yes, Harlequin is not a recognized color so if Bug4H wants a show bunny get one from the black x black preferably a buck because they are nicer than does and can be shown at any time. Even though the Harlequin x Tort litter might throw showable torts. Here's a link to a great color calculator:http://www.ephiny.net/tim/pedigrees/color_calc.php
Hopes this helps

 

[akane]

All color genes are universal between breeds. Learn one breed and you have the basis for all. Some breeds do use different names for the same color and the coat type can impact the final look of the color. Wool breeds are the worst for that. A black rex is the same as a black dutch except a rex has rex coat genes and a dutch has dutch white pattern genes. They are still both self aa, black B*, full color C*, nondilute D*, and full extension E* . aaB*C*D*E* is black no matter what the rabbit is. For showing different breeds have different colors recognized or not which you have to watch out for but all rabbits have the capacity to make the same colors. It's not like a gene doesn't work in one breed just because no one has bred that color into the breed or it can't be shown yet.

You can't say exactly what 2 colors will make unless they are all/mostly recessives. It's a series of odds. The most likely result of a black x black is a black. If the rabbit has blue in the background or in breeds without chocolate colors recognized then blue is probably the next most likely. If chocolate is in the background and not blue or lilac then chocolate might be more likely. On it goes to the probably not colors. Some can be ruled out. Agouti (such as chestnut) is the dominant A gene. If 2 rabbits both have aa for self they cannot create an "A" so you know it's not there and you will get no agoutis. The A gene though can hide an "a" because you only see the most dominant gene. An agouti could be AA which will only make more agouti because there is no other gene or Aa which will make agouti and can make self with another rabbit that has 1 or 2 "a" genes. Both AA and Aa will look the same so you can't tell what is carried by an agouti but you know an agouti gene is not possible in a self. You take out the absolutely cannot exist colors, determine any definitely carried genes from the rabbit's color and parents' color, and then come up with the odds of the remaining colors. The more ancestors known the more accurate you can be. There is always that small chance something really random will pop up though. Recessive genes can hide for many generations. Even well past where the pedigrees normally end. Cross exactly the right set of rabbits and suddenly you have something really unexpected.

 

[HOWsMom]

All color genes are universal between breeds. Learn one breed and you have the basis for all. Some breeds do use different names for the same color and the coat type can impact the final look of the color. Wool breeds are the worst for that. A black rex is the same as a black dutch except a rex has rex coat genes and a dutch has dutch white pattern genes. They are still both self aa, black B*, full color C*, nondilute D*, and full extension E* . aaB*C*D*E* is black no matter what the rabbit is. For showing different breeds have different colors recognized or not which you have to watch out for but all rabbits have the capacity to make the same colors. It's not like a gene doesn't work in one breed just because no one has bred that color into the breed or it can't be shown yet.

THIS !! This is what I was missing by looking at the links that only mentioned one breed or another !
*lightbulb on*

 

[TF3]

Three Liitle Ladies Rabbitry and The Nature Trail are websites with great primers if you want the general jist of things
And then there is this board
So helpful!

 

[HOWsMom]

I LOVE the Natures Trail website - she's very clear and thourough.
Will have to chack out Three Little Ladies too.