Inbreeding?

[ButtonsPalace]

Is this possible? I have been told by my dad it isn't but I mean my dad is ignorant as hell when it comes to anything rabbit related. I had a doe breed with her father and one of her popples is like stopped growing *pretty sure from starving* but I have been feeding her she just looks like a little person compared to the rest if that makes sense :bunnyhop: ancake: :bunnyhop:

 

[DBA]

As far as the breeding, father/daughter or mother/son is called line breeding, a quite common practice with rabbits. Inbreeding is brother/sister, some do that, but I don't think I would.

Why a kit stopped growing, can't tell you that.

 

[3mina]

Line breeding and inbreeding double up on the traits, good and bad, that a rabbit (or any other animal) receives from its parents. It's used to find out what you have genetically in your herd. I line breed and in breed both but I don't necessarily recommend it for an inexperienced breeder. I know I have a possibility of having to dispatch very young animals that may express traits that would doom them to a slow death. I had to do this this month, I discovered a kit in a litter (not line bred) that didn't have the use of its hind legs or bowels. It was the hardest thing I've had to do since I started raising rabbits and I'm sure I'll have to do it again at some point.
Some breeds have genes that if a kit gets two copies of that gene they die a short time after kindling. What breed are you raising?

 

[Susie570]

Kit growth will slow down if they are not getting fed. If you are feeding her formula, she may not be getting what she needs. It's better to feed her from the doe if you can. Most small/underfed rabbits catch up with a few full tummies. There could be something wrong with her, but I doubt it would be due to linebreeding.

 

[Miss M]

It could be a genetic issue, but it could also be a non-genetic internal deformity. I have kits like this occasionally from breedings of unrelated stock. I've had popples that just can't seem to figure out the whole eating thing.

I have done inbreeding and line breeding, and haven't had any more issues than I've had breeding unrelated stock.

 

[ButtonsPalace]

Kit growth will slow down if they are not getting fed. If you are feeding her formula, she may not be getting what she needs. It's better to feed her from the doe if you can. Most small/underfed rabbits catch up with a few full tummies. There could be something wrong with her, but I doubt it would be due to linebreeding.

I am currently using the 1/2 cup goats milk, 1/2 tbsp Corn syrup and egg yolk recipe. Do you know and that are any better. She doesn't seem to eat from her momma even if I leave her in with her momma and siblings I think she is so small they all kinda push her out of the way. <br /><br /> -- Mon May 25, 2015 7:12 am -- <br /><br />

It could be a genetic issue, but it could also be a non-genetic internal deformity. I have kits like this occasionally from breedings of unrelated stock. I've had popples that just can't seem to figure out the whole eating thing.

I have done inbreeding and line breeding, and haven't had any more issues than I've had breeding unrelated stock.

Well she has a hunched back and her ribs seem to point out at the front. She has grown a bit since being hand fed but I am just worried about her

 

[Susie570]

When I was talking about feeding her from momma, I meant solo feedings, not trying to make her compete with the other kits.

 

[grumpy]

Grouping line-breeding and in-breeding into the same category is wrong.

The first 'continues' traits.....the second 'magnifies' them.

If one has an outstanding individual, they breed "to" that individual in the
hope of continuing the positive traits from one generation to the next.

Inbreeding is the mating of a full-brother to a full-sister. This is classic
inbreeding and it 'will' bring to the fore any weaknesses within that specific
family. HOWEVER, it 'may' just as likely create an outstanding animal.
It's not recommended for the 'long-haul' but it's an easy check to see
how a certain line is holding up.

With some of the more genetically altered breeds of rabbits, inbreeding
probably should not be a common practice. Line-breeding on the other
hand continues the family towards the future carrying the positives and
hopefully enhancing them.

I raise strictly commercial meat rabbits and therefore I'm basing my
opinions upon my personal experiences with this type of breed.

grumpy.

 

[Schipperkesue]

Inbreeding and line breeding are wonderful tools that you can use to fix type in your stock. By 'fix' I don't mean repair, I mean solidify.

You don't create problems with in/line breeding, the practice only shows you what you already may have hidden in your genetics. If you have lots of problems, doubling up on them may magnify them.

However, as a tool used to double up on things you want in your lines, in/line breeding is the practice you will want to use. It is how the breeds we have today were created.

It may lead to great problems, but also great rewards in a breeding program.

Mother/son and father/daughter gives you more control in your output. 50% of the genetics come from each parent, so in this type of breeding you know you will be doubling up on the parent's genes and half from the offspring in the kits.

Sibling breedings are more random. If the offspring get all the genetic material from one grandparent through the parents you would have 100% genetic material from that grandparent. However, if the offspring received half of its genetics from one grandparent and half from the other, the resulting kit would be genetically similar to another offspring of the original two parents. Of course you could have any % in between as well, and you would never know. There is less control in this type of breeding. It is far more random.

For example, I have a litter from a pair of normal furred siblings. The normal furred siblings I bred have a satin dam and a normal furred sire. 8 kits were born. Only one of those kits got the satin gene from each parent and has satin fur. The other 7 have normal fur and I have no idea if any are carrying a satin gene or not. If I had bred the satin grand dam to her normal furred son, I would have had a higher chance of getting satin fur AND I would know that all the normal furred kits would be carrying one copy of the satin gene. More control in this breeding.

Clear as mud?

 

[katiebear]

Clear as mud?

yep..ok so I got the breeding of parent/offspring. But lets say I have a big buck from litter #1, from dam A, If I breed buck #1 to Dam A , the resulting kits would be half sibs..so ok to breed to buck#1..
But not litter mates to each other is that right? what if the pairing is of two different litters out of the same parents...wouldn't that be full sibs, although not litter mates?
I know this sounds kinda stupid but I am trying to line up my breeders for next season...

 

[Schipperkesue]

If I was looking for size above all else, I would breed the two largest rabbits together...but where do you go next is the question?

 

[Miss M]

But not litter mates to each other is that right?

I have bred litter mates just fine.

what if the pairing is of two different litters out of the same parents...wouldn't that be full sibs, although not litter mates?

It would be the same as breeding litter mates.

 

[ButtonsPalace]

Check my new thread: indii-t25188.html , I will let everyone know what has happened there and what we figured out and please no more posts on here <br /><br /> -- Wed May 27, 2015 7:23 am -- <br /><br /> Thank you that makes much more sense. I was like out of it yesterday because of everything