help with diagnosis?

[Softie]

Kit, 2 weeks old. Need to diagnose and make plan. Is this ringworm?

Used miconazole and bound it to prevent spread.

web descriptions of ringworm are scary. This kit is one of 7. Do I need to euthanize to stop spread?

 

[Softie]

could it be mange?

 

[Softie]

HI all, I keep checking in to see if anyone has answered. DId I ask wrong? I do need some help, please? If it's ringworm I have to sanitize everything,right? If mites, I have less worry - correct?? - and can get DE, Ivermec, and neem for cage. This info gathered from what I have read on this list serve.

Help??

 

[Cosima]

It looks like ringworm. I am not entirely sure though. I would suggest looking at pictures online and see if any look similar. Were there white crusts on the paw?

 

[RabbitsOfTheCreek]

I think that the only way to know for sure what it is is to go to the vet

 

[Softie]

It looks like ringworm. I am not entirely sure though. I would suggest looking at pictures online and see if any look similar. Were there white crusts on the paw?

Yes. It was crusty. A bit white I think. This photo was after I put on lotion. Hair loose in chunks. Small ones. But of bleeding when I rubbed some hair off.

 

[Softie]

Yes. It was crusty. A bit white I think. This photo was after I put on lotion. Hair loose in chunks. Small ones. But of bleeding when I rubbed some hair off.

Bit of bleeding.

action plan??

 

[Cosima]

Yes. It was crusty. A bit white I think. This photo was after I put on lotion. Hair loose in chunks. Small ones. But of bleeding when I rubbed some hair off.

In that case it is most likely mites

 

[Softie]

Also, I have lab quality equipment and can look for insects. And can look for spores. Might try that before vet expense. Seems online that vet results are often inconclusive.

really need to know how extreme to respond.

 

[Softie]

In that case it is mostly mites

Oh really? Great!

 

[Cosima]

in my opinion mites (at lest borrowing mites) ARE NOT FUN and i really hope that you don’t have borrowing mites because people can get them to and they ITCH like crazy.

 

[Softie]

I can address it easier though -the airborne fungus that gets everyone seems harder to exterminate. I'll get ivermectin tomorrow.

 

[Cosima]

i guess ringworm is probably worse

 

[Lewis]

Ring worm to my knowledge makes more of a circle. This is what I pulled up photo wise. Mits are more flaky skink and missing hair. With wool mites missing hair and flaky skin not raw skin.

If ring worm
Surgical scrub kills everything-
It's called Hibaclens. If you decide to use this don't let her lick it you have to rinse it off of her.(fungus thrives in an acidic environment).

A cotton ball soaked it Betadine and then placed on her wound would probably sooth/provide comfort

 

[ladysown]

looks fungal, not ringworm.

 

[SoDak Thriver]

Too erratic for ringworm. I agree with Ladysown; it looks like a fungus.

 

[Softie]

Hmmm. Okay. Did hibiclens. Will go back to miconazole. Kit is too young to separate. That puts all at risk. Advice?

 

[Softie]

Slightly more urgent because three of these kits - not the one pictured - are sold and will be going to new homes in the next month or two. I really cannot hand on kits that are not in great health.

 

[Lewis]

Slightly more urgent because three of these kits - not the one pictured - are sold and will be going to new homes in the next month or two. I really cannot hand on kits that are not in great health.

@akane wrote this is in a thread on this forum
Mycosis can present many ways depending on the exact fungus they pick up (40 varieties of fungi can cause "ringworm") and often will only hit the slightly weaker or slower to develop young animals with immature immune systems out of a group. A lot of fungi or mold will show up under blacklight but not all. Fungi also tend to spread with some type of curved edge along what body part it's following, which is why ringworm is such a common name for multiple fungal infections. If it's more individually contained fluid filled bumps or abscesses that grow in height or break to drain from one spot instead of solid material build up with outward spread then it could be bacteria instead but it still does seem with it's limited numbers so far to be some opportunistic infection from the environment that happened to find a way to infect only specific animals. If it starts to show up elsewhere or create several draining lumps you need to re-evaluate. Quite commonly a bacteria and fungi will use the damage of the other to spread while increasing the difficulty to diagnose and figure out what to concentrate on treating. I've had it with horses before that solid lumpy growths which drained after cracking were a combination pair and abscesses form on untreated fungal infections. Actually mouthwash cleared up the problem we had in horses. I needed some type of wide acting topical and while we think of the antiseptic purpose thrush can easily be triggered as an even worse contributor to all sorts of oral problems so most mouthwashes contain antifungals in a myriad of essential oils and chemicals.

I'd probably separate any that get symptoms from direct contact just to not overwhelm the immune system of the others who might be successfully fighting it off for now and help keep it self limiting while deciding to just cull, wait, or without being able to see it in person probably try fungal treatment first given all the variations in presentation and the fact it can be so limited in what it infects. Plus you only need to do some initial clipping or cleaning of the surface for quick application and it's less of an issue for withdrawal periods from meat animals than attempting systemic antibiotics first. Even just minor skin damage in the wrong conditions with a fungus outbreak present can let it keep populating a new spot or new animal and small numbers of unnoticed biting pests can both weaken immune systems and create surface damage openings for infections. Dealing with some type of fungus now I know once it takes hold it's tenacious stuff even if it's easily killed temporarily in one spot or animal/human. It might clear up on it's own or if you butcher those that could just be the end of it and you could see if there is anything systemic going on when you look over the organs and meat.

If treating I'd probably start with clotrimazole. There are several options but that's my current favorite as I found other common ones are not working as well and it's now available for a myriad of human body parts over the counter so there are a lot of forms easy to get from human or livestock supplies. I also have it combined with something in a prescription cream for the mystery fungal infection that established after multiple broad spectrum antibiotics. The fungus multiplied enough that while it remains contained to small areas on the body most ideal for growth it keeps overwhelming even typical healthy systems now and I can't manage to kill it off everyone and everything in the house all at the same time to avoid it popping back up every few months. Combine the right conditions and suddenly there's a new spread of irritated red areas that can grow both single larger lumps or lots of little dots depending what rubbing of skin or other details apply to that location even with the exact same fungus causing the initial damage and fungus is not very picky of its' host. Medirabbit suggests oral griseofulvin (25-50 mg/kg every 24hrs or half every 12hrs) for widespread systemic coverage of all animals but if you've got only a few spots a topical sold everywhere is an easy test. If it responds but doesn't fully eliminate you at least confirmed that you do need to look at antifungals for further treatment.


^^^^^^ writen by akane @akane

 

[Softie]

Wow!! Thank you SO much!!